There is no 'Third Eye'

excerpted from Peter Carroll's Liber Kaos chapter 2 Aeonics [The Psychohistorical Model of History]

In the materialist paradigm the universe is believed to consist fundamentally and entirely of matter. Energy is but a form of matter and together they subtend space and time within which
change occurs strictly on the basis of cause and effect. Human behavior is reducible to biology,biology is reducible to chemistry, chemistry is reducible to physics and physics is reducible to mathematics. Mind and consciousness are thus merely electrochemical events in the brain and spirit is a word without objective content. The causes of some events are likely to remain obscure perhaps Indefinitely, but there is an underlying faith that sufficient material cause must exist for any event. All human acts can be categorized as serving some biological need or as expressions of previously applied conditioning or merely as malfunctions. The goal of the materialist who eschews suicide is the pursuit of personal satisfaction including altruistic satisfactions if desired.
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Materialist time is linear but unbounded. Ideally it can be extended arbitrarily far in either direction from the present. To the strict materialist it is self-evidently futile to speculate about a beginning or an end to time. Similarly the materialist
is contemptuous of any speculations about any forms of personal existence before birth or after death. The materialist may well fear painful or premature death but can have no fears about
being dead.
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Of the three views of self the purely materialistic one is the most problematical. If mind is an extension of matter it must obey material laws,and the resulting deterministic view conflicts with the subjective experience of free will. On the other
hand, if mind and consciousness are assumed to be qualitatively different from matter, then the self is incomprehensible to itself in material terms. Worse still perhaps. the materialist self must regard itself as a phenomenon of only temporary
duraltion in contradiction of the subjective expectation
of continuity of consciousness. Because purely materialist view of self is so austere few are prepared to confront such naked existentialism. Consequently materialist cultures exhibit a
frantic appetite for sensation, identification and more or less disposable irrational beliefs. Anything that will make the self seem less insubstantial.
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Each of the the views of self has something derogatory to say about the other two. From the standpoint of the transcendental self, the materialist self has become prey to pride of Intellect.
the demon Hubris, while the magical view of self is considered to be entirely demonic. The materialist self views the transcendentalist as obsessed with assumptions having no basis in fact. and the magical self as being childlike and incoherent.
From the standpoint of the magical view, the assorted selves of the transcendentalist have ascribed a grossly exaggerated importance to one or a few of the selves which they call God or
gods. while the materialist has attempted to make all selves subordinate to the self that does the rational thinking. Ultimately it's a matter of faith and taste. The transcendentalist has faith in a god self, the materialist has faith in a reasoning self and the selves of the magician have faith in each other. Naturally, all these forms of faith are
subject to periods of doubt.

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The philosophies of humanism, communism, and capitalism also have
their roots in the material transcendentalism of
this aeon.
Atheism is prone to decay into nihilism as the rationalist aeon progresses. Transcendentalism becomes progressively less sustainable as a worldview while the explanatory and technical
power of materialism grows. As the materialist paradigm peaks, it becomes sterile and tyrannical in its attempt to quantify all things in material terms. At the time of writing, many of the world's current problems are due to large segments of the dominant Western culture entering their nihilist phase. The initial optimism of capitalism, science,and socialism is fading as faith in the products of these systems diminishes and no
alternatives seem to present themselves as we accelerate into global ecological squalor. Magic and transcendentalism exist in opposition to the dominant materialist paradigm and often become confused with each other for this reason. much as magic and science were often confused with each other in their opposition to
monotheism in the religious aeon. Magical theories tend to proliferate partly in response to the tyranny of materialism and partly because although materialism is self-evidently incomplete,
the holes cannot be patched with a transcendentalism that is tinged with increasing absurdity. Thus in opposition to nihilistic materialism we find the remains of a monotheistic transcendentalism which is on the way out and a purely magical
view, manifesting for example in the growth of parapsychology, which is on the increase. Strange admixtures of magic and transcendentalism in various proportions arise at this time. Neo-paganism,witchcraft and white light occultism are characteristic rebel philosophies during the cultural dominance of nihilism. Charismatic revival movements on the fringes of a decaying monotheism attempt to perceive and invoke the supposed
magical powers of their deities in an immediate way to bolster a transcendentalism which is inexorably fading into obscurity.

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From the standpoint of the popular rational materialism which dominates the nihilist phase., it
may appear absurd that the philosophy of magic will arise first to complement and then surpass
that of science and materialism However the most advanced scientific theories are already beginning to exhibit magical features in their new descriptions of reality. Both in particle physics and cosmogenesis a fundamental acausality, indeterminacy, and observer dependence is now ascribed to reality. These are, property speaking, magical theories, not material ones. It also appears that in biology. psychology and medicine, theories of strict causality must give ground to some form of emergent vitalism for organisms
which are evidently more than the sum of their parts. This co-emergent vital principle or morphic field is equivalent to the intrinsic power or mana of magical theory.
The prevailing orthodoxy of the coming Chaoist age will represent something of a truce between magic and science; although the magical aspects may take on heavy scientific camouflage at first to make them more acceptable. Transcendental theories will virtually disappear and magical phenomena will no longer be acknowledged as proof of anything spiritual. The word “God “ will be both objectively and subjectively meaningless except to a few cliques and cranks; although towards the end of the Pandemonaeon new forms of magical transcendentalism will arise, but it would be premature to speculate on their precise manifestation. The model does not predict the nature of the characteristic post-industrial technology of the impending aeon. The decline of materialistic theories throughout the aeon does not in itself imply the loss of advanced technology. As technology becomes progressively more complex and less comprehensible there is a tendency to conceive of it and use it as though it were a magical phenomenon. Devices incorporating quantum mechanical or direct psi-interactive components may well make any distinction between magical and material systems meaningless in any case. So the impending Pandemonaeon may be characterized by an extremely complex yet rationally incomprehensible high technology. Alternatively the model will equally well accommodate a post-catastrophe technology sufficient to support a new hunter-gatherer tribalized society
resembling the first shamanic aeon when the relative strengths of the paradigms were similar. At the time of writing it is too early to speculate on the character of the second phase of the
Pandemonaeon, which has been left nameless. It remains to be seen whether humanity will spend this phase out amongst the stars or squabbling over tinned food in the smoking ruins. Yet any
credible form of stellar travel will have to be based on principles more akin to those currently under investigation in magic than in science. Some form of machine-enhanced teleportation might suffice, reaction-thrust vehicles plainly will not.
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Dangerous times lie ahead. Millennial apocalyptic beliefs present in monotheism may still yet
trigger disaster during the death spasms of transcendentalism. A fierce rearguard action may be
expected from materialist philosophies as they slide further into a nihilism whose adherents will.
for a while, demand ever more of what is not working . ever more luxury and sensationalism in
an ecology unable to support it.
The birth of the Pandemonaeon as a generally accepted paradigm could be a long and bloody business. If things go badly it could be preceded by a catastrophe which precipitates us into a new stone age rather than an interstellar age. Although there will be important niches for magicians in either situation, I would prefer my descendants to perform their sorceries among the stars rather than huddled in the ruins.

obvious dark earth elemental that lives under bridges thread is obvious

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My understanding is that the photoreceptor cells of the retina strongly resemble the cells of the pineal gland and that the pineal cells of sub-mammals (such as fish, frogs and birds) are used to detect light. For this and the ancient belief that the pineal is the seat of the soul or consciousness is the reason that many associate it with the "third eye". I think there is also a relation to the red dot that come cultures paint on their forehead between the eyes.

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LOL! You would have to learn to speak telepathically with your dog... That takes a lifetime from what I've heard... Does your dog actually know any monkeys?

:-)


Namaste :-)

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Your third eye is your pineal gland, which produces small amounts of dimethyltryptamine when you sleep (this causes vivid dreams), and in many cases floods your brain with this chemical as you are dying. They call it your "third eye" because the '___' acts as a hallucinogen, allowing you to "see" differently.

Fun fact:
Fluoride (which is in any water you drink, and many other products you use daily) calcifies your pineal gland, making it harder for your body to produce '___'.

Heres a link all about the PINEAL GLAND
www.wakingtimes.com...

Parietal eyes everywhere

Originally posted by piequal3because14
We are created with two eyes...or...we evolved from something with two eyes, to reconcile both sides.

english.people.com.cn...

Imagine a creature with three eyes,even an imaginary one,


That will be a monster.

It would definitely look ugly even with an imaginary third eye.

I know that those who believe in the third eye they believe that is the psychic center of something and mystical Chakra and esoteric concept...so on.

But if we evolved from something then even the monkeys should have a third eye.


We cannot say i opened my third ear'

or

'I opened it and the third nostril'...

...I mean an imaginary one..of course.

So, we better stay with two eyes as we were created or as we evolved.

www.touristiklinks.de...

Oh, of course you can call negative energies(evil) and name them The Third Eye,but that is something else, another story in another forum.

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You have it whether you like it or not if you do not removing the pineal gland from inside your brain with surgery and you would not survive that. But on most people the pineal gland is more or less useless since they do not seem to use it at all. And I am not saying that other animals than humans do not have a third eye. I have a feeling cats have more evolved third eye than humans ever could evolve. And that is why we say they have nine lives. They do not from my point of view but they seem to have a sense of reality synchronicity unmatched in humans and seem to discover things that are outside of normal perception.

Evolution is not ended for humans. It is time to evolve to the next stage.

close your eyes .. picture something in your mind .. do you see it ? 3rd eye or inner eye working as it should


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Originally posted by Mike.Ockizard
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My understanding is that the photoreceptor cells of the retina strongly resemble the cells of the pineal gland and that the pineal cells of sub-mammals (such as fish, frogs and birds) are used to detect light. For this and the ancient belief that the pineal is the seat of the soul or consciousness is the reason that many associate it with the "third eye". I think there is also a relation to the red dot that come cultures paint on their forehead between the eyes.

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I agree but wanted to point out that the reason they show the third eye on the forehead is that the people experiancing its activation can sometimes feel a preassure on their forhead that can be there all the time. Like something sitting in the skin of your forehead.

I do not say that the chakra system is the absolute thruth and a complete knowledge but it is good enought to be able to be useful as a tool of experiancing more of what the body/mind/spiritself can do. It is one thing for people to be sceptic of the system but if they cannot be openminded enought to test it out for two months to see if the can notice something then why should we bother with trying to persuade them. They are only hurting themselves by not being all they can be.

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The Pineal gland is the third eye. The seat of the soul. You do not have to belief there is a third eye you can feel it if you start playing with your chakras... Chakras can be felt, just because science does not prove all of its existance does not mean it does not exist...

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THIS right here.

The third eye is no more an eye than a phantom limb is an "actual" limb. The third eye is actually a gland.

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Have more faith in yourself, humans are capable of great things.

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We have been brainwashed into believing that western thinking is the only type of thinking. The thought that we should only know what we have already measured. Did this stop earlier civilizations from playing with things they didn't know? of course not! That is what has led to the findings we have today. Sure, we may not understand how the pineal gland works in its entirety but hell, we don't even know how the brain works fully.

reply to post by piequal3because14
Your ignorance in this matter shows that you lack, or at least deny, any form of ESP. This is not uncommon. Some people have greater ease at clairvoyance, lucid dreaming and preocognitive abilities than others.
Therefore it is only natural that an ability not understood or posessed by someone is denengrated and made fun of by the person lacking understanding.
What is unfortunate is that you so openly and confidently display this ignorance, and, that some others here so easily agree with you. But, that's the way life goes sometimes
I'll keep my pineal gland and excercise it as much as I can thank you!
You do whatever it is that makes you happy

Peace and enlightenment to you my friend

One may well call the part of our mind that imagines sound in dreams the third ear. Or scents... third nose.
'Mind' suffices for me. I see no reason to sensationalize it.

What do you believe about "tickling the amygdala"?

You have two of those.

And I have noticed that if I am very depressed or about to cry, right before I cry I feel some pressure in my temples that seems to be clicking.
It is said that you can click forward or backwards. You click backwards when you are in fear or sad.

Then if you relax you jaw and think about something happy, you can begin to click forwards instead.

There are exercises online for how to do this. I don't think it really hurts anything. It just seems like relaxing the jaw and focusing awareness on the temples and trying to get a warm or pleasant feeling in your head.

isnt the third eye...the pineal gland.....

some reptiles pineal glands have a lens and retina

en.wikipedia.org...

A parietal eye, also known as a third-eye or pineal eye, is a part of the epithalamus present in some animal species. The eye is photoreceptive and is associated with the pineal gland, regulating circadian rhythmicity and hormone production for thermoregulation.

Originally posted by piequal3because14
We are created with two eyes...or...we evolved from something with two eyes, to reconcile both sides.

english.people.com.cn...

Imagine a creature with three eyes,even an imaginary one,


That will be a monster.

It would definitely look ugly even with an imaginary third eye.

I know that those who believe in the third eye they believe that is the psychic center of something and mystical Chakra and esoteric concept...so on.

But if we evolved from something then even the monkeys should have a third eye.


We cannot say i opened my third ear'

or

'I opened it and the third nostril'...

...I mean an imaginary one..of course.

So, we better stay with two eyes as we were created or as we evolved.

www.touristiklinks.de...

Oh, of course you can call negative energies(evil) and name them The Third Eye,but that is something else, another story in another forum.





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Another person on the other side of the fence trying to betray humanity from the truth. Give it up! Everyone has in their life felt a buzzing sensation in their brow. Im sure that most if not all people have seen images with their eyes closed.

You demons sicken me. Soon, the portal to hell will be closed, and it will be the last of your kind posting things like this.

To locate the third eye, stand in front of the mirror and bend down.
Yep.

Originally posted by WiindWalker
You demons sicken me. Soon, the portal to hell will be closed, and it will be the last of your kind posting things like this.

That's quite enough, Sir Enlightened. No one is posting from hell and consciously trying to lead people down some path of destruction. Full spiritual growth will happen for all of us when the time comes, and not all at once.