Personally, I look at the map and look at what they have laid out and have a few reactions. First, I hope to God our military isn't looking at a
similar map and with only those options, is considering this a viable campaign.
Second..I want to laugh.
Last....I recall those are my fellow Americans represented by aircraft and ship icons..and personally know and am related to a couple who will BE in
that mess. Finally then, I want to cry.
IF that is what they are looking at at the Pentagon and White House and IF they actually entertain the concept of victory based only on THAT force in
Iran? We'd better hunker down and settle in for a very long and very ugly war. The first wave is going to get it's ass kicked real hard and I just
pray the pilots lost aren't taken alive on the ground. We sure as hell can't get there to rescue any of them.
Now why would I say such things? Well... One has to look at a map and run mileages. It's a real bad thing when one does that. It's ugly without much
way to put it otherwise.
Tehran to the Gulf Waters = 418 Miles x 2 - 836 Miles for the round trip.
Tehran to the Afghani Border = 531 Miles x 2 = 1062 Miles for the round trip
F-15 Range = 3,400+ miles if configured as a flying gas can / 1,000 Nautical miles for combat operations
F-16 Range = 2,620 miles in gas can config / 340 Miles for combat operations
F-18 Range = 500 Nautical Miles
F-117 Range = 1,250 Miles in gas can config / 765 Miles for combat operations (this one at least gets there!)
AH-64 Apache Range = 1,180 Miles in gas can config / 300 Miles for combat operations
(Source - A prior thread I wrote on geography for this
Coming from the Gulf? It's too far. Coming from Afghanistan? It's too far. Coming from the Indian Ocean? it's WAYYYYY too far. There are TWO ways, I
see, the United States can hit Northern Iran (where the good stuff actually IS...not at the Gulf where nothing but oil and and the power plant sit).
Either a Caspian sea nation has to give full cooperation to us or Iraq has to allow us back in to stage there.
On the Caspian? MAYBE....but what could have happened 4 years ago, won't now, IMO. Nations who may have trusted us with such a HUGE risk then, have NO
reason to now. We crap on allies, burn secrets and share intelligence publicly like it's a game. Iranian soil is 116 miles from the soil of the
Russian Federation. In THAT neighborhood, it's absolutely no game and actions today will bring actions lasting years or decades AFTER the U.S, gets
what it wants from it. So... Little chance there.
Iraq?? lol.... do I even need to cover why Iraq wouldn't let us re-stage there? Besides.... Iraq signed a historic multi-BILLION dollar pipeline deal
this year to be the center of a Iran -> Syria gas pipeline. If Iraq has to choose friends? They already did and we lost.
*** now this doesn't even TOUCH on the fact that by known intelligence the public can see, nothing the United States has in conventional weapons can
destroy the Fordow facility. The 30,000lb MOAB goes DEEP. Indeed. Fordow is KNOWN to be deeper. Not by much....but close doesn't count when 100%
destruction is absolutely essential. Using Tactical Nuclear Weapons? Oh hell....Fordow won't even know what hit them.....but then, nor will Obama when
the world comes down on him with the weight of the entire planet.
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