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Is HAARP feeding SANDY? (The Conspiracy Side)

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posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 02:36 PM
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Originally posted by Variable
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Thanks to Phage for being a voice of reason and knowledge in a chaotic jumble of superstition and pseudo scientific ramblings. I think far more people learn from you, and a small handful of others on the site, then the rest of the keyboard peckers combined.

Keep up the good fight!

To the rest:

The goal here is to Deny Ignorance after all people... If you cannot lucidly defend your statements, then you should be bounced to the ideological curb. Perhaps there should be a web site that does not promote "Deny Ignorance" and you could post there?

Surely there are nuggets of unknown information here on this site. Surely our goal is to suss out these golden factoids and present them to to the world. You know, the confused world mystified by Media and so easily duped by flashing lights and mirrors? The ones we have to convince to come to believe as we do - that these hidden things are real and worth knowing? If not, we all just sound like an average day at the local insane asylum.




I believe you contradict yourself here - you mention Phage as the voice of reason and knowledge yet you say this site is to deny ignorance but what I take that to mean is that ignorance is those who don't believe there are things going on around us that we don't quite comprehend (conspiracy theories) and that we should deny that type of ignorance because it is happening. You state that pretty well in your post about the media duping us, but you praise Phage for dispelling it.

I know I'm a new member but I've been following the site for quite a while before registering, and I know Phage has like the stardom of this place that Clint Eastwood has in Hollywood and I'm just a adolescent virgin poking my head around, but it's the idea of conspiracy theories that drew me here. I'm not sure what drew Phage here because he debunks every conspiracy theory. According to him there are no conspiracy theories and it all can be explained by simple science, and he backs it up well. I give it to the guy that he is a smart guy, but what is his purpose on this site. It's almost like he has an agenda to put us all at ease. "Don't worry, be happy!"

I conclude this post with this one final note to ponder - HAARP: technology once in private hands but acquired by US Defense. Why would that be if it was so harmless as Phage points out?




posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 02:37 PM
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The Eastlund patent is the patent to do exactly what HAARP does, heat the ionosphere etc

You are confused. What the patent concerns is the system used to do the heating, not the heating process. The heating process is not patentable any more than boiling water by putting it on a stove it. What is patentable is parts of the stove. There are other patents to accomplish the same thing. The Eastlund patent is not for HAARP, it is for a natural gas fueled magnetohydrodynamic generator powered system which would be far more powerful than HAARP. I don't see anything in that list of patents from the con-man Begich which applies specifically to HAARP. Maybe you can point out one that does.




 

BTW, a couple of other ionospheric heating patents. Not Eastlund, not APTI.


The invention pertains to a method and apparatus for generating and radiating electromagnetic energy for use in heating the upper atmosphere.

www.google.com...



A high efficiency system generates a VED virtual antenna by taking advantage of the vertical electric field created by natural effects in the lower ionosphere at latitudes in the vicinity of the dip equator. An ionospheric heater is employed to direct a heating radiation beam into a region of the ionosphere located at an altitude of 75-105 Km. The heating effect of the beam drives vertical oscillator currents that radiate ELF/VLF signals in the ionosphere.

www.google.com...


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posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 02:54 PM
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I conclude this post with this one final note to ponder - HAARP: technology once in private hands but acquired by US Defense.


HAARP is operated and maintained by Marsh Creek LLC with The University of Alaska playing the major role in coordinating the research. It is used by students and scientists from the US and other countries.

www.marshcreekllc.com...

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posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 03:10 PM
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Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory had an episode on HAARP where a scientist showed that it was possible to manipulate weather.
Jesse Ventura got conned. I liked the part where Begich gave him bone conduction headphones and Jesse was convinced that music was being beamed directly into his brain.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 03:14 PM
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This will most certainly keep people out of the polls! Looks like a dream storm for the Romney team! Sandy will most certainly cost Obama the election!

Looks like this is Netanyahu's I mean Romneys America!



We can thank Sandy for helping to put anouther Nazi in the white house!

24 days ago a redit users warns of this.
"daughter and son-in-law were called into a private meeting on base regarding a probable evacuation scenario of the East Coast. (Son-in-law is in the Special Forces, apparently high up. I think the base was Ft. McPhearson in Georgia). "
www.reddit.com...

Environmental modification techniques have been applied by the US military for more than half a century. US mathematician John von Neumann, in liaison with the US Department of Defense, started his research on weather modification in the late 1940s at the height of the Cold War and foresaw ‘forms of climatic warfare as yet unimagined’. During the Vietnam war, cloud-seeding techniques were used, starting in 1967 under Project Popeye, the objective of which was to prolong the monsoon season and block enemy supply routes along the Ho Chi Minh Trail.

H.R. 3445 (110th): Weather Mitigation Research and Technology Transfer Authorization Act of 2007
www.govtrack.us...
www.govtrack.us...
www.govtrack.us...

MORE CONCRETE PROOF THAT SCIENTISTS CAN CONTROL WEATHER!
www.cuttingedge.org...
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posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by AuranVector
 


Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory had an episode on HAARP where a scientist showed that it was possible to manipulate weather.
Jesse Ventura got conned. I liked the part where Begich gave him bone conduction headphones and Jesse was convinced that music was being beamed directly into his brain.



OMG, that was comical. After having gone through many a hearing test and wearing those things for most of them, I got one hell of a belly laugh out of that. I honestly dont think that Venture was conned though; I think he absolutely knew better, but that sort of thing made for MUCH better television and conspiracy talk for his show.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 03:22 PM
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I get the International Advocates for Health Freedom (IAHF) newsletter by John Hammond and he's certain HAARP has created this storm. Here's what he has to say,


The Department of Defense has published this paper titled "Weather as a Force Multiplier- Owning the Weather by 2025" csat.au.af.mil...

Is the shadow government using HAARP and chemtrails right now to intensify and steer Hurricane Sandy smack dab into the metro NYC area just before the election? I am certain of it. You will be too after reading this. I called this to the attention of my uncle Bob who lives in a flood plain in NE New Jersey. He has been feverishly moving all furniture out of the first floor of his house to the second floor because in a previous recent flood a few years ago he had three feet of water on the first floor of his house, and his car was destroyed by being totally submerged.

The highest magnitude waves in the history of the HAARP project are being measured right now in the Northeastern US indicating that Hurricane Sandy is being steered into the metro NYC area right before the election. Power outages on election day are expected.

See for yourself on this site. ______beforeitsnews/alternative/2012/10/highest-haarp-readings-ever-10-in-the-northeast-2486154.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_ca mpaign=beforeitsnews (Be sure to watch the video on this site.)The white shading on the chart indicates that the reading has gone OFF THE SCALE. Coincidence? No way! This is an example of weather being used as a weapon. This hurricane has been deliberately intensified via chemtrails and HAARP and is being steered to an intended landfall, on Halloween, on the full moon, when tides will be highest, to cause maximum possible flooding and damage including power outages. Freak fall snowstorms are expected in some areas.

Hurricane Sandy (www.vancouversun.com...) is a slow moving Atlantic storm that is unlike anything that has been seen in two decades. It has already killed at least 31 people on a trail of destruction in the Carribean, at least 21 people have already been killed along the US east coast, and its currently moving slowly up the Atlantic Coast where forecasters predict it will slam into the metrol New York City area and on up into New England.


Numerous details are provided in this paper about weather modification and what they call "national security." Weatherman Scott Stevens provides us with a look at this storm on a video that you can watch here aircrap.org... that you will NEVER SEE on mainstream TV!

As you can see, this hurricane was created by chemtrails that began off the west coast of British Columbia, that were directed by HAARP (www.bariumblues.com...) in Alaska to move as a weather system across the continent to collide with, and intensify this hurricane and to STEER IT into New York City by Halloween, on the full moon, when tides are highest, and it can cause the worst possible flooding, and damage- especially power outages..



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by AuranVector
 


Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory had an episode on HAARP where a scientist showed that it was possible to manipulate weather.
Jesse Ventura got conned. I liked the part where Begich gave him bone conduction headphones and Jesse was convinced that music was being beamed directly into his brain.




Wouldn't take much to fool an ex wrestler



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 03:36 PM
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The problem is that when someone sees a conspiracy, because they don't understand the science behind something. There are things that are being done behind our backs, that we'll never know about, but that doesn't mean that everything is a conspiracy.

Chemtrails is a prime example (I use that one because aviation is one thing I know very very well). Every single picture of a supposed chemtrail plane has been something else, but the people taking the picture either deliberately mislead people, or they honestly don't know better. I'm leaning towards some of both, the bigger pages or people in the "movement" are deliberately misleading people, but some people that don't know planes, and aren't sure what they're looking at are honestly mistaken about what they're seeing.

So, should people like Phage, and myself, that know what we're talking about just sit back, and let things like that go on? Or should we speak up if we know better, or have a better understanding of what's being discussed.

I've read several threads where I've contributed little, or nothing at all, because I don't know the material well enough, but if it's something that I know then I'm going to speak up and try to correct misconceptions or flat out lies put forth by people.
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posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 03:48 PM
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What he and others are saying is - Do not forget the militaristic history and nature of HAARP.

Do you downplay the significance that private contractors serving the military built it?

-BAE Systems, Advanced Technologies(acquired APTI,Inc in 2003)
-Continental Electronics Corporation
-Antenna Products Corp.

A good mention of involvement is SRI International, who does a wide range of research.

Do not deny DoD's role.

The Air Force, Navy, DARPA all share and/or participate and/or fund the research.

It's not purely academic.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 03:49 PM
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I liked the part where Begich gave him bone conduction headphones and Jesse was convinced that music was being beamed directly into his brain.


Everyone should see this con man in action. Begins about 1:15



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 03:49 PM
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Nice one Zaphod58 now wait for conspiracy cliche number 2 or is it 3

What are you doing on a conspiracy site



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 03:52 PM
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Spin all you want. I'll let people make up their own minds.



Op's theory has legs, argue with the .mil source.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 03:54 PM
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Watch as HAARP invades Jesse Ventura's brain

Shortest invasion ever


Watch as I place these on the table and turn that into a giant speaker so everyone can here



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
I get the International Advocates for Health Freedom (IAHF) newsletter by John Hammond and he's certain HAARP has created this storm.


And 200 years ago he'd have been convinced it was caused by a witch. And burned alive anyone who said otherwise.....

The ignorant always seek a scapegoat for that which they don't understand.

Anyway, HAARP has been controlling Son-Tihn all week. So it'd can't possibly have anythig to do with another storm on the other side of the world!


And for that matter, why steer a storm so that it follows a similar evolution and track to that meteorologists had been predicted days before? Are these claims of cycone control not just a scam? Oh look, it's raining just like they forecast - but if I hadn't waved my magic wand it wouldn't have rained! So you'd better fear me and give me lots of money .....



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 04:01 PM
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Do you downplay the significance that private contractors serving the military built it?


What's your point? Do you think any contractor who does work for the military is evil or something? You're going to have to include a lot of contractors in that list. A contractor who builds military housing is dirty? A contractor who provides food is dirty?

Don't you think it makes sense that a contractor with expertise in building antenna systems would bid on a project with an extensive antenna system? Don't you think that a contractor with such expertise would be selected over one who didn't?



The Air Force, Navy, DARPA all share and/or participate and/or fund the research.
Yes, they do. So what? They do not operate the facility.


It's not purely academic.
Right, there are practical applications. But weather control is not one of them.

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posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 04:02 PM
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Spin all you want. I'll let people make up their own minds.

So you can't point out one of those patents which applies specifically to HAARP?
Nick Begich says they do and you believe him. Good. He has a wide array of snakeoil to sell you too.
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posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by Skywatcher2011
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Or just Mother Nature showing her cleavage to the world



It could be father nature just droping his sack on the table.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 04:10 PM
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Well it sure isn't increased temps in the Atlantic caused by global warming that's feeding Sandy .... that's just a fairy tale.

...must be HAARP.

Here's the weather report.... lol...

Weather reporter freaks out..
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posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 04:18 PM
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Maybe I shouldn't be but watching that stunt by Begich makes me very angry. I can't believe people can fall for something so blatant and even support him.




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