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MUST WATCH: Retired Lt. Col. and Special Operations Planner for 15 years, Obama ordered no response.

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posted on Oct, 28 2012 @ 09:40 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by antonia
 


Interesting the attackers waited for the Turkish guy to leave. Accident?


I doubt it, if they knew where the station/safe house was it's likely they had been casing it for a long time. It's more likely they didn't want Turkey involved in it.




posted on Oct, 28 2012 @ 09:42 PM
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Originally posted by SweetChild
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Same principles apply. The caller positioning himself as an "expert" and is selling something he wants rush's listeners to buy.

No you're completely wrong. Lt. Col. Doug isn't selling anything, but I get it, you're trying to disqualify what he's saying for your own agenda. Maybe you're a big Obama supporter, I dunno but your agenda is obvious. It's hilarious your confused him with Lt. Col Shaffer which tells me you just read the title and posted. You probably still haven't watched but more importantly listened to the video.

Believe what you want, I'm not gonna waste my time trying to change your mind.



posted on Oct, 28 2012 @ 09:46 PM
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Here’s what I have a problem with. Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer is known for his book that the government had to buy because it contained classified information. First why is he writing about classified information? He makes claims that he knows who was there and what was going on during the attacks even though he lost his clearance years ago and is no longer in the military.

Lt.Col is a mid-rank in the military for officers 0-4 to be exact. So he has been out of the loop for years but expects us to believe he is privy to what happened that day behind closed doors. I may have miss heard him but he said we could have scrambled a c-130 which makes no sense if he said AC-130 it makes even less sense because it would be useless in tight quarters urban combat because there would be such a high chance of killing our own people with that fire power. Like killing a fly with a sledgehammer. But just for fits and giggles let’s say he is on the up and up why on earth would he be telling all of this to Rush of all people unless no one at Fox would listen.

What do we know about him?
1 he is no longer in the military and lost his security clearance before being discharged.
2 he wrote a book with classified Intel
3 he seems to like attention
4 he seems to think an AC-130 is good for urban combat
5 he has not told us his sources (RED FLAG)

I could throw a few more things in there but this should be enough. I am willing to make a bet that this guy is going to write another book or is in the process right now of writing one. All this publicity can’t hurt sales.

At the very least everyone should be cautious about buying into this. If he is on the up on this I would be very surprised. What source that was there that day would risk there career by associating with him and feed him intel?



posted on Oct, 28 2012 @ 09:48 PM
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I did not accuse you personally of anything.

I was just musing about how disinformation is dispersed in order to confuse the issue at hand. To create other scenarios where usually there is just enough truth included to make it a possibility.

This kind of ploy is designed to distract the public and make us question the truth. We like to get things right. Especially those of us attracted to places like ATS.

Carry on Dear Antonia.



posted on Oct, 28 2012 @ 09:54 PM
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reply to post by Grimpachi
 


Why are you talking about Lt. Col Shaffer? You do realize the caller is not Tony Shaffer, right?



posted on Oct, 28 2012 @ 09:57 PM
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I asked you if that was the guy in another thread and you said it didn't matter where he spoke. You never said it wasn't him.


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Exactly who is this guy then?
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posted on Oct, 28 2012 @ 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by Grimpachi
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I asked you that was the guy in another thread and you said it didn't matter where he spoke. You never said it wasn't him.



Huh? I do recall you were trying to really put down Lt. Col. Shaffer in another thread, shame on you, but if you think this thread is about Shaffer you'd be wrong. Maybe you should check out the video posted in the OP to get started.



posted on Oct, 28 2012 @ 10:01 PM
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I did and I never heard his name. Thats why I asked who is he.

With Lt.Col Shaffer I was pointing out the facts about him if they put him down that was his record.

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If his name was on the screen I didn't see it I can't stand looking at Rush but I did listen.

Huh?Don’t tell me this guy is anonymous. Just heard it. Its Doug!! Well of course we should believe Doug. Doug is irreproachable. This entire thread is because Doug says then it must be true.

Man I just wasted my time.

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posted on Oct, 28 2012 @ 10:16 PM
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Noooo...

It's Doug from San Antonio!



posted on Oct, 28 2012 @ 10:27 PM
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Originally posted by Kali74
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Noooo...

It's Doug from San Antonio!


If I am ever in San Antonio and catch Doug at the VFW I will have to buy him a drink.



posted on Oct, 28 2012 @ 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by rollsthepaul
Benghazi was payback time for Stevens, who procured the 9 Megaton nuclear bomb, that was detonated on the ocean floor March 11, 2011, near Japan. Stevens was no ambassador but rather a gunrunner for the CIA. It appears that Obama was told that Stevens was going to be taken out and so he ordered his people to stand down. I believe Hillary was as much the mark as Stevens because she took the fall for Obama's decision. It is no wonder she is resigning as SOS. She plans to become president in 2016 and needs no more roles as scapegoat, before then.
Um care to validate your strong claim about that nuke?



posted on Oct, 28 2012 @ 11:03 PM
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You clearly are wasting your time. You just now realized this?



posted on Oct, 28 2012 @ 11:25 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Interesting the attackers waited for the Turkish guy to leave. Accident?


This rabbit hole gets deeper and deeper:


Hundreds of protesters marched to the fortresslike embassy in downtown Cairo, gathering outside its walls and chanting slogans against the movie, whose origins are mysterious but which was reportedly produced in the United States.

Dozens of protesters then scaled the walls of the embassy building, went into its courtyard and took down the flag from a pole. They brought it back to the crowd outside, which tried to burn it, but failing that, tore it apart. The protesters raised a black flag with a Muslim declaration of faith on it: “There is no god but God, and Muhammad is his prophet.” The flag, similar to Al Qaeda’s banner, is popular with ultraconservatives around the region.

Nearly all the embassy staff members had left the compound before the protest, and the ambassador was out of town.


www.nytimes.com...

This happened before the attack in Libya. Why was the consulate in Egypt empty and not Libya?

I hate to bring this in but I found this while researching:


You won’t hear any of this in the media, no doubt, but in Chicago’s diplomatic circles at least there is no doubt that Chris Stevens was gay and that pretty much anyone in the diplomatic world knew that. That includes the Libyans who were hired as security at the consulate in Benghazi who betrayed Ambassador Stevens and assisted in his murder.


hillbuzz.org... ment-sent-gay-man-to-be-ambassador-to-libya-64291

Was the ambassador raped as a symbol Muslim hatred toward homosexuals? None of the other men were reportedly raped.

If the accounts of the ambassador being a gun runner are true than let's be real. Everyone knows that when you are in secret service and stuck in a compromising position you are all alone.It comes with the job. Do we wage war when we know we are doing sneaky stuff. No. We wash our hands and turn away.It's been that way since the beginning.Claimimg that the President runs the military is the equivalent to saying the people decide who the President will be. The President is only privy to the information that is given to him. You are naive if you believe that sensitive military decisions comes from the President. Remember during 9-11 the military had already sent jets before Bush knew what was going on.


At 8:32 a.m., Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) officials were notified Flight 11 had been hijacked and they in turn notified the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD). NORAD scrambled two F-15s from Otis Air National Guard Base in Massachusetts and they were airborne by 8:53 a.m.[159] Because of slow and confused communication from FAA officials, NORAD had 9 minutes' notice that Flight 11 had been hijacked, and no notice about any of the other flights before they crashed

en.wikipedia.org...


At 8:46 a.m., five hijackers crashed American Airlines Flight 11 into the World Trade Center's North Tower (1 WTC), and at 9:03 a.m., another five hijackers crashed United Airlines Flight 175 into the South Tower (2 WTC).[7][8] Five hijackers flew American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon at 9:37 a.m.[9]


en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Oct, 28 2012 @ 11:29 PM
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I can't stand old neo-con Rush but took the time to listen. This guy seems legit and it backs up what I've also heard. Not sure I agree as to the reasons why they stood down, but they did stand down. Why would this surprise anyone?

Thanks S&F



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 12:35 PM
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I realized this OP was completely skewed the second I saw Rush's fat drug addled face. Come on, I'm no Obama-bot but using Rush as a source is #ing insane. No one should ever take that dude seriously.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 12:50 PM
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Rush hardly speaks during the video. What are you suggesting? Are you suggesting that he somehow set up this caller? Do you think the caller is a fake? Please clarify what you mean because attacking the source instead of dealing with what the source said is not logical.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 08:10 PM
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Yeah, NO. This whole thread is nothing but unverifiable claims by a series of various unidentified people who expect to be taken at their word. FAIL.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 08:23 PM
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The caller is in fact quite credible due to the information that he shares. He clearly has inside information and military knowledge that makes him credible. Who are you and what are your credentials to question him? Please in a careful explanation lay out for us what aspect of what he said was not credible. Please be specific. We can wait.



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 09:33 PM
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The Obama folk will never accept the TRUTH, even if it were “smack” right in front of their faces! Every day that goes by, I see more and more on how guilty Obama-jad is on this matter. Why can’t you liberal folk face the facts? Why are you all in denial about it? Do you really think for a moment that the POTUS had no Intel about this shortly after the attack began?



posted on Oct, 29 2012 @ 10:04 PM
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The caller is in fact quite credible due to the information that he shares. He clearly has inside information and military knowledge that makes him credible.


So we should believe what he says because he's credible, and he's credible because (you say) we should believe what he says? That's circular reasoning. No thanks, that's not my style.


Who are you and what are your credentials to question him?

I don't need any credentials to note that the man is making unverifiable claims without even identifying himself, except as "Lt. Col. Doug". There's no credibilty there to question. He, and Rush, are just asking us to take his word for it. His word is worth no more than the posters in this thread who also claim to be intelligence experts: ZERO!


Please in a careful explanation lay out for us what aspect of what he said was not credible. Please be specific. We can wait.

Random unverifiable talk show callers have zero credibility, period.



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