Originally posted by verfed
So America shouldn't kill the terrorists for fear of a political change?

The point being made is that the terrorist threat has been hugely overblown. In doing this both current UK and US administrations have secured power, taken away basic civil rights and illegaly invaded a country...and people have sat back and accepted this because they are scared.

Some might say that 9/11 is total proof of the need for such drastic measures. Please do not think this. It has become clearer and clearer that the events on that tragic day were known by many intelligence groups around the world and that many warnings had come up. Let alone the fact the FBI stopped investigation into highjackers.

Anyway, if a country restricts the rights of it's citizens due to terror, then these 'terrorists' are winning this imaginary war on terror anyway.

Just look at these liars.

Earthtone, my friend, I couldn't have said it better myself. I thoroughly concur. It's nice to know there are some people who get it. Hopefully as time passes, more and more shall see through the lies.

I think the point is that George Bush and his "team" have distorted the threat that terrorism poses to us, and this distortion is why his polls go up (since many Americans believe the president, and are thus terrified of terrorism). So when Bush says "We are winning the war on terror" or some other BS, his approval increases (wrongly), as terrorism isn't that big of a threat. One serious intelligence failure which leads to an attack on WTC, isn't quite justification to declare war on a war tactic. This is why the war on terror is a political tool.

-Attero

Edit: When I started this response I was going to be the 3rd post, so this point has probably already been made..

[edit on 19-10-2004 by Attero Auctorita]

Benjamin Franklin said it best:

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

Ocurs AtteroAuctorita, bush has distorted the "terrorist" every time that he wants to divert what is going on with his government and in Iraq, he uses the "terror" to get people's mind away from other issues.

yes terror is a powerful tool in the hands of a fool.

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Earthtone, my friend, I couldn't have said it better myself.

Thank you ECK. It's such a sad state at the moment. 9/11 has provided the neo-cons with the perfect situation to carry out their plans. They want to install their "democracy" around the world with force. This is how they trick the people to go along with them.

By the way the program last night was excellent. It showed the history of how both Al queida and the Neo-conservatives got their ideoligies from people like Strauss. It then talked about how a false threat from Russia was trumpted up by people like Rumsfeld in the 70's. Very interesting stuff. Can't wait fro the next instalement.

Bush is the biggest terrorist

He keeps his whole country in a state of fear so he can control them better...

I for one dont buy the terrorist bull #... any real threats have emerged since he started his little war...

My dad had to fly the day after 9/11 and his company wouldnt let him because they feared the planes would get attacked... He laughed in their faces nd said

'You believe that bull#? They're just fear mongering'

I believe he was telling the truth then, and i believe it now... terrorism is like communism was in the cold war... over rated!

Great post earthtone

Wow I wish I could see that show but I doubt it will ever air here in the great united states, bastion of freedom

Fear is something the powers that be have used since day one to control the masses and to divert attention away from their real agender.
The gov was encouaged in the 50's when the media discovered the more scary it made it's news reporting the more people would watch.
Instill fear into the population and then convince that population that the gov with it's police and miltary is the only entity that can protect that population.
For yrs we were told the Russians are comming, now it's the terrorists.
What happens when they ware that story out, convince us the martians are gonna attack us.
Our gov has the population scared of it's own shadow.
Think how much profit is made from fear, just from weopon sales, home security, insurance, blah blah blah.
Fear is the easiest of human emotions to manipulate and exploit.
A population in a state of fear will except almost any amount of oppression from their gov if it is convinced that it will protect them.
When has the US ever been without some kind of imaginary enemy ready to come kill us in our sleep any day now. Foreign and domestic.
It is a great deception, the only thing we need to fear is fear itself.

Originally posted by ANOK
Great post earthtone

the only thing we need to fear is fear itself.

Thank you, and well said with that. As I said in this thread in a previous post, allowing a nation to live in fear is acceptance that the terrorists have won! Bush is doing their work for them.

As you said, American governments have always created a demon for the nation to fear. The mexicans and their "loco weed", communism, the Russians, and now the war on (for) terror.

I don't know what will jump start the American and British people into seeing this for what it is.

I watched the program last night. I was suprised about how much information was in there and that a program could be so direct with its approach. I am glad it is showing and hope more people get to see it. The Strauss theory is so clear to see in todays events, and the Qubt in the muslim events.

Earthtone, yeah hearing Rumsfeld back in 1972 mouthing off about russian weapons that never exsisted was scarey. He sounds EXACTLY the same today. I hope some how Americans get to see this program via uploads or something, everyone in the world needs to see it. Also how the Neo cons preached their way into power by washing the masses with church nonsense, and how America are gods chosen people who defend freedom around the world. (every mad dictator uses that line BTW) Hitler did!

I hope the program shows the document ' The plan for a new American Century'. That has Cheney, wolfawitz and Rumsfelts blessing.

Again all U.K ATS users/readers watch this next week. BBC2, 9pm Wednesday.

[edit on 21-10-2004 by 7th_Chakra]

a truly great program, all americans should see it, it may cause a revolution

Fisrtly i had tried to alert people to this show on the BBC...
but oh well no one ever listens to me



Next: verfed
Please alert people to the fact that you are inking them to the ADL!
Did you know the biggest terror attack against britain was not by the Irish but by.. the... well there was no Israel then... it was the king david hotel.. so boohooo to Israel suffering from attacks like that...

About using fear... the US has used false pretenses for all the wars i can think of....

Sinking of lucitania WW1

Pearl Harbour WW2

The commies are coming.. every war between 1945 and 1980 usually complete CIA fabrications. Viet-Nam... Nicaragua... etc.

Now its terror, oh and them invisible WMDs...
Need we go on..

The frear of death is the beginning of slavery! (or religion)

Originally posted by Corinthas
Fisrtly i had tried to alert people to this show on the BBC...
but oh well no one ever listens to me

I started a thread on this a few days back aswell, but it seemed to go unnoticed. At least here we can see that the programme didn't go that way, which is the imporant thing.

I must admit i missed it... went to be really early

Will try to tune in next wed.