Millions watched as Jimmy Saville molested me

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posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 07:00 PM
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OK Brits....what happens if it goes to the Royal Family? How does that affect them, and your society and nation?

How about the MP's and PM?

And how about everyone else?

I am curious what is really going on outside the CT world here. And what it will mean.

And how likely is this to actually ever be fleshed out?




posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 07:28 PM
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Sex scandals and the Royals go back hundreds of years & if required will be dealt with in teh time honoured fashion - expressions of disgust, withdrawl of some titles or whatever, ostracism from QE's presence, sitting a few rows further back at official functions, etc.



posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 08:54 PM
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In his regular visits to the hospital he was regularly spotted around the village puffing on his famous cigar or training for one of his many fundraising marathon runs. He also made regular appearances at Crowthorne Carnival in his famous roller, which was used for many years to transport the winning Carnival Queen.


Tribute from Bracknell news about Savile and his time in the village of Crowthorne


This is a link to the archive photos from Crowthorne carnival. Be interested to see how long it's there for in the light of tonight's Channel 4 news.

Crowthorne Carnival archive



posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 10:06 PM
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I think you make an excellent point.....the "truth" will mean the end of the world as we know it.....but that is how it needs to be...it's scary.....but we just can't turn a blind's eye to this anymore...I say keep it simple, lie detector tests are completly a reasonable request from anyone that holds power over others...an innoccent person would welcome this....



posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 10:33 PM
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well, when i ask myself "Why do people seem to turn a blind eye to this kind of stuff", I am left with only a few options. And none of them are really any better than the others:

- The People, in general, are supportive of it. Someone who drinks is fr more likely to be able to "understand" why someone else would drink and drive. To them it makes sense that you just may have to, as a last resort, even if you wouldn't admit to it. Meanwhile, since I don't drink, i have nothing that would help me sympathize with a DWI defendant should I be on the jury.

- The People are horrified at what it would mean to pursue. They like their TV's and their stable lifestyle that they work hard to cultivate. To threaten that is to arouse the grand father of all cognitive dissonance: threatening civilization.

I think the latter is likely the greater contributor, but the former likely has its own role as well. But with the latter, we even saw it with the bailouts in the US, and the austerity in the EU. Sure, there was some flash over, but for the most part The People choked down the massive bailouts of those who screwed us to begin with. And we only "bailed" them out of their debts to each other. So they get their balance sheets all tidied up, while ours becomes scarlet red.

I think that is what it is in the end: that people are willing to let their children be molested if it will maintain the status quo. I know we certainly will allow a lot of people to be killed under our flag to maintain our status quo in the states.



posted on Nov, 1 2012 @ 07:06 AM
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The "truth" will mean the end of the world as we know it.


And that's exactly how I viewed it one night whilst watching the news. Induced more of a panic attack than anything ATS at the time could throw at me. Whilst a phenominal amount of abused are coming forward along with those who felt powerless to help, the millions of people just strung along by this guy over so many generations is overwhelming. Most of us grew up with this guy idolised on our screens. The poison may as well go to the top, the damage has already been done to society as a whole. The weight of it on top of the shocking state of the nation feels crippling.



posted on Nov, 1 2012 @ 02:41 PM
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The point is it wont be "Allowed" to get right to the top... to get as far as it should.

We will be thrown the likes of Gary Glitter and Freddie Starr and a few other has-beens and the elite politicians, the Royals and the Billionaire, child raping scum that are at the top of all of this... will not be revealed and not have their world changed at all.


To think that "the truth will out" and we will get to the bottom of all of this... is just stupid and naive.

Think of the few scandals that have ony now come to light.

Hillsborough
Miners Strike
MP's expenses


And they are ONLY because there ARE some good people within the establishment and that want the truth.

Those things, while awful and disgusting as they are, are not even in the same ball park as this scandal and this has gone on many, many years.

Ted Heath was a pedo.

This is nothing new.

We just need to hope and pray (not literally, unless you want to) that we DO have some good guys in parliament who have the fortitude and perhaps no family to threaten, that will see this through and really get the truth.

I hope so... but I very much doubt it



posted on Nov, 1 2012 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by detachedindividual

Originally posted by Aeons
Yes, this the excuse people cover themselves with and conveniently also allows people to not have to confront the people who do it. Particularly if the social paradigmn castigates a person for not capitulating. Who do you think would be attacked under the circumstance if she even had the social training to punch him in the throat? People would (and still do) make it okay for him, and every action she has available will cause her grief.

This is somehow a "choice." Capitulation is the only choice.

Reporting this stuff as a crime is a joke, and treated as such even now.
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Now go back and read my post again, and this time please try to actually comprehend it properly before you mouth off.


If you'd have read my post, you would see that I make no excuses for his behaviour at all. I find him just as sickening as anyone else does.

BUT, people are looking at this through the moral and social attitudes of today, and no matter how adamantly we want to pretend it isn't so, things WERE vastly different back then.

I repeat again, that's NOT AN EXCUSE, I'm just stating FACT here.

I'm guessing that you're under the age of 30, and that you didn't see the 1970's and 1980's in the same way? That's going to be a major problem in trying to comprehend what British culture was like back then. But once again, however you would like it to be, that's not how it was.

We cannot look at the behaviours of people back then and judge them by today's standards when it comes to things that might not have been perceived as socially unacceptable, let alone criminal.

It doesn't change the crimes he actually committed, and it doesn't change the fact that what we see in that video is wrong on so many levels. BUT you cannot look at that video and treat it as though this has just happened on your TV with the equality laws, abuse laws, harassment laws and discrimination laws that we ACTUALLY HAVE TODAY and didn't even think about back then.

Those are the facts, deny them all you want, but it doesn't change them.


I've had hands go up my skirt and shirt. I've been groped innumerable times. I've run gauntlets of men. I've been shoved against walls and hiked up on people's knees. Shoved over the hoods of cars. I've had random objects shoved between my legs, and shoved down my shirt. Men grab my head and shove it at their penis, or better once when I didn't like having porn put on my desk at work and handed it back to the guy (nicely at that), he grabbed my head and rapidly torque my neck until it popped. Even he was a bit creeped out by what he did.

I've asked nicely for men to take their hands off me, only to have them leave them there and tell me that I'm not being nice and that they won't take their hands off of me until I explain why they should and they agree with me.

Everything I just described has happened in public.

I'm 39. I've done exactly the same thing this chick did just to get past the moment. In being calm and not taking it poorly, guys like you just look on and shrug and think that it must be okay. Apparently the choices are you liked it, or you tried to knife them. Since I wasn't prepared to knife them in the gut, you guys assume it must be enjoyable.

That other way of thinking about things was explained to me this way by guys and women just like you.... "Well he got his jollies and it is over. Just let it go."

Please do continue to tell me about this golden age of the past when people just thought of it differently.



posted on Nov, 1 2012 @ 04:46 PM
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That other way of thinking about things was explained to me this way by guys and women just like you.... "Well he got his jollies and it is over. Just let it go."


Not going to quote the rest of your post - but you make a good point

As a woman (and then again as a young woman and also as a girl) - I've experienced a lot of what you just mentioned. My opinion changes back and forth on all this

At times I feel it's making too much of it to call it abuse or molestation - especially if you compare it to the actual abuse so many people do suffer. I myself have told my own self to just laugh it off and let it go

But if I'm honest I have to admit - it never feels like nothing. It's definitely something

I want to call it a grey area - but that's not quite right - is it?
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posted on Nov, 1 2012 @ 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
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That other way of thinking about things was explained to me this way by guys and women just like you.... "Well he got his jollies and it is over. Just let it go."


Not going to quote the rest of your post - but you make a good point

As a woman (and then again as a young woman and also as a girl) - I've experienced a lot of what you just mentioned. My opinion changes back and forth on all this

At times I feel it's making to much of it to call it abuse or molestation - especially if you compare it to the actual abuse so many people do suffer. I myself have told my own self to just laugh it off and let it go

But if I'm honest I have to admit - it never feels like nothing. It's definitely something

I want to call it a grey area - but that's not quite right - is it?
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There is a line between assertive or even aggressive, and disrespectful with force.

That ugly feeling is knowing that someone(s) have just walked over that line and are comtemplating more force.

This is what people aren't getting. There is a distinct difference, people know what it is, but there are many who would like to muddy this water because....they benefit from the muddy water. The guys who cross the line benefit from the guys who are aggressive not knowing the difference and seeing themselves in a description of someone like Jimmy Saville.

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posted on Nov, 1 2012 @ 04:57 PM
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posted on Nov, 1 2012 @ 05:08 PM
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NO gray line...nothing like that! Even tho the person is dead...doesn't matter at all...

What he did! is far out disgusting! what the people around him!!! camera man, soundman, even the freaking CEO and all of the rest didn't do! is even more disgusting...!

Its like all of us standing, sitting Right now! Doing Nothing.



posted on Nov, 1 2012 @ 05:15 PM
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Originally posted by dayve



I've had hands go up my skirt and shirt. I've been groped innumerable times. I've run gauntlets of men. I've been shoved against walls and hiked up on people's knees. Shoved over the hoods of cars. I've had random objects shoved between my legs, and shoved down my shirt. Men grab my head and shove it at their penis, or better once when I didn't like having porn put on my desk at work and handed it back to the guy (nicely at that), he grabbed my head and rapidly torque my neck until it popped. Even he was a bit creeped out by what he did.


Anyone ever rip your panties down to your ankles, with your hands on the walls on your tiptoes..?


Indulging in a Penthouse letters moment? Dear Penthouse, I never thought I'd be writing to you....

They had a better approach, and I have to tell ya....I certainly knew their name first.

Alright, I'm going to use that as a platform now. The descriptions of being hiked up on guys knees against a wall does sound salacious. Unless you're the one it is happening to when you don't want it. So yeah, it sounds like it might be a bit of fun. And it might be under better circumstances.

On stage with a creepy pedophile with his hand up your bum isn't anyone's definition of a good time, except of the creepy guy's.
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posted on Nov, 1 2012 @ 07:12 PM
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Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by dayve



I've had hands go up my skirt and shirt. I've been groped innumerable times. I've run gauntlets of men. I've been shoved against walls and hiked up on people's knees. Shoved over the hoods of cars. I've had random objects shoved between my legs, and shoved down my shirt. Men grab my head and shove it at their penis, or better once when I didn't like having porn put on my desk at work and handed it back to the guy (nicely at that), he grabbed my head and rapidly torque my neck until it popped. Even he was a bit creeped out by what he did.


Anyone ever rip your panties down to your ankles, with your hands on the walls on your tiptoes..?


Indulging in a Penthouse letters moment? Dear Penthouse, I never thought I'd be writing to you....

They had a better approach, and I have to tell ya....I certainly knew their name first.

Alright, I'm going to use that as a platform now. The descriptions of being hiked up on guys knees against a wall does sound salacious. Unless you're the one it is happening to when you don't want it. So yeah, it sounds like it might be a bit of fun. And it might be under better circumstances.

On stage with a creepy pedophile with his hand up your bum isn't anyone's definition of a good time, except of the creepy guy's.
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What if it was the girl next to her..? And not the old man



posted on Nov, 1 2012 @ 07:39 PM
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It is an absolute atrocity what has happened to you. It is embarassing to me, a man who is proud of who and what he is, to know that I am of the same species as animals who would do this to people.

I am sorry.



posted on Nov, 1 2012 @ 07:42 PM
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Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
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It is an absolute atrocity what has happened to you. It is embarassing to me, a man who is proud of who and what he is, to know that I am of the same species as animals who would do this to people.

I am sorry.


Pfffttt...... Get a sex change you woman...



posted on Nov, 1 2012 @ 07:49 PM
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Wow...Sounds like a scene form that movie..what was it..Basic Instincts?
Not that Micheal Douglas would be considered creepy then......maybe now tho.
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Why so Sad?....Arent Women now WANTING the very behaviour you are talking about nowdays?
They are probably jealous of you.
Dont women complain that men have lost being "Men" now? That Sex has almost dried up....I can tell you why...because of threads like this and women like you, Men are too scared to interact with women.
We cant say ANYTHING to women, without the fear that it may be construed wrongly or some malicious female may bring it up later that she was offended.

Modern women have killed men.....men no longer exist....Homosexual relationships dominate TV sit coms, Dominating women dominate men....its all the norm now.

I wonder in 10 years, rappers etc wont be sued for "touching me in that video of me dancing" etc. Dr. shedazzle says I look hot...How Dare HE!!!!!!, What he mean, I saw a bulge in he pants (eben doe it was a sock)"

What about when the Famous 60's Groups and artist die off...they are in their mid 60s now.....some of the have had sex with 1000s of women....how many are going to come forward...Oooohh he raped me in 1965 when I was 14.....I did'nt know he would do that after I climbed thru his 10th floor window at 2.00am in the morning....Dirty old man!! (now that he is ugly and rich).

Please explain why the current "Female" World wide obsession, is with a Novel about about sex slavery, Female submission, domination and anything else apparently (I havent read it, have you?)...in "50 Shades" or something.

Of course the hero is a rich handsome etc etc sexy man......not a 40+ fat ugly..rich man (tho that would help).

Yes it is Hard not to be cynical of Women's motives these days....

Women nowadays want what the Pigs in "Animal Farm" did....

Equality..Yes........"All people are Equal !!......but some people are More Equal (women) than others (non women)".


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posted on Nov, 1 2012 @ 08:25 PM
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When I don't want it, I don't want it. If I don't want it from you, that's the end of it.

Would you like to know how some of us women deal with this. I think you do. I REALLY think you want to know what women like me are thinking about after we get away from a guy like this.

Usually when I don't want it and it is a bad situation, I just get through it..

Then a little later, I start thinking of ways to kill you.

Meticulously.

I tend to end up with 3 to 5 of them. Usually not painful ways to enjoy your death. Usually. However, if it was particularly bad, some of them are a bit gruesome. I'm sure most women just entertain the usual castrate him or smack them with a frying pan to death sort of thoughts. My education is a bit more diverse. Wanting you to see your entrails on the floor kinda rage.

I know I'm not the only one.

So while I really am quite fond of aggressive men, THESE sorts of people....well it might be an understatement to say I don't like them.

If you see yourself in Jimmy Saville, YOU have a problem, not me.



Now, as to fantasy - fantasy is fantasy. You know what is so great about fantasy? The people in it are all powered by you. If the phone rings, it is over. Get bored? Go to sleep. It is a safe place to work out one's boundaries. Don't like the chapter? Close the book.
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posted on Nov, 1 2012 @ 08:29 PM
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Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
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It is an absolute atrocity what has happened to you. It is embarassing to me, a man who is proud of who and what he is, to know that I am of the same species as animals who would do this to people.

I am sorry.


You don't need to apologize. I don't see those men in all men.



posted on Nov, 1 2012 @ 08:31 PM
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Originally posted by dayve

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
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It is an absolute atrocity what has happened to you. It is embarassing to me, a man who is proud of who and what he is, to know that I am of the same species as animals who would do this to people.

I am sorry.


Pfffttt...... Get a sex change you woman...


If you were raised by a single mom, perhaps you would have a different perspective.

If your mom was single because you had told her about how you, a 4 year old, had seen you dad having sex with another woman, it may matter to you how a woman is respected.

If you were the one who told your mother this, then spent the next several years hearing her sob into her pillow at night, it may hurt you to know that another woman could feel victimized by a man.

And if you caught your father again, at the age of 7, cheating on a different wife, you too may be ashamed of the way other men act.





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