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Millions watched as Jimmy Saville molested me

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posted on Oct, 28 2012 @ 02:14 AM
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Originally posted by n00bUK

Originally posted by dayve

Originally posted by n00bUK
reply to post by Phenomium
 




So because women are coming forward in a time where we can treat them as equals and not ignore the fact that they have been molested, raped, assaulted and abused, their feminists? And deserve to "be ran over" ?

What I have just read has to be one of the most hate filled posts iv ever come across ATS in all my time here. I pitty you're thought process and general attitude towards women. I'd alert you're prost but I'm on a mobile which likes to do nothing I want it to


You sad, sad excuse for a man.


Sensitive much.......? Dont go tattle tailin because you dont agree..... This girl was not raped molested assaulted or abused as far as what the video showed. Loosen up your fanny pack a lil ....



You are not worth my time when you have only the attention span to read the OP and a few of the following posts. There's an 11 page discussion. Go read it.


And you have the sensitivity of a woman with confused hormones... I read the OP and watch the video, i dont care about the rest 11 page discussion.... I have my input and i said it. Maybe you should go back about 5 post and read it, since your attention span is on point, you would have thunk you have...... Cry some more




posted on Oct, 28 2012 @ 02:16 AM
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Originally posted by WrathShadow
Ah. I see the monthly meeting of the "she broke my heart and I am too emotionally stunted to move on" club has hijacked yet another ATS thread in their never ending quest to convince themselves that it was all her fault and that their own shortcomings have nothing to do with their bitter and lonely worlds.

Misogyny - easier than looking in the mirror and owning it.
edit on 10/28/12 by WrathShadow because: (no reason given)



A mod needs to come in and delete their posts before it gets closed due to hate speech. . .



posted on Oct, 28 2012 @ 02:18 AM
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Originally posted by Phenomium
I'm sorry but in a court of law he would never have been convicted...


I'm not sure you know how the law works. Witness testimony is enough to convict a person, and there is a lot of witnesses there.


Everyone who is a woman of today, WANTS to see this because they are told it is happening and Feminism (Gloria Steinem) has told them that 1 out of every 4 women get raped by a man (which she got caught doctoring those statistics..but I digress). If you want to see this man grabbing this woman, then you will see that...but I for one cannot see his hand.


I do not think you understand women that well in this context. I think you're certainly swallowing everything the media presents to you on the subject, but I'm not sure that translates into good opinions about women.

It's been pointed out before, but it's a game of cluedo.

Who is creepy in the video?

Was it Mrs. 80's Perm in the top of the pops studio with the candle stick? [ ]
Was it awkward staring giggling woman in the crowd with the drugs? [ ]
Was it the man with the proven track record of sex offenses leering at the camera? [ ]

This isn't a male vs female thing. It's just pretty statistically likely that this demonstrates how bold Saville was. It's not like this is just some random footage that a person with no history is being demonized over. Anyway, this thread will become a revolving door, but if you ever want to chat about feminism (without throwing things at me) I'd be interested to hear what you have to say in a thread or U2U.



posted on Oct, 28 2012 @ 02:22 AM
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reply to post by Pinke
 


I was responding to a feminist and feminism is an "ideology" not a representation of all women..."women" is a group of the human species and feminism is an idea of hatred towards men. They are not one and the same. I am not turning this into a feminism thread...I was responding to a confessed feminist. As for this idea being larger than life...it is smaller in importance to me, as a man,....than an atomic particle. By the way...swallowing media propaganda? These were Gloria's own words....not the medias. Maybe it is you that are mistaken. She either said them as a champion for feminism....or she didn't.

In this video she actually mocks men in the audience for supporting their cause as feminists and they all laugh at them....and yet there are still some stupid men who still fight me all the way like a "white knight" who don't know that they are being mocked and actually CALLED WOMEN...wake up you idiots!


If you are a Feminist supporting man (if that is what you still consider yourself) Go to frame 4:45 of this video and witness what women REALLY think of you supporting their cause....I really hate stupid people



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posted on Oct, 28 2012 @ 02:30 AM
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Originally posted by dayve
Pfffffttt... She was not being molested, looks like she was on drugs and looking for an excuse to look like a idiot... And if his hand was up her skirt, more power to him. I'd have done the same thing, except with the girl standing in front.... Giggidy.......


You, and a couple of others here, are lacking empathy. If you feel that it is acceptable to molest others then you are an enemy of humanity. I suspect that you don't care and, luckily for you, are protected by the anonymous nature of blogging. It is not good for your health to molest people where I come from. I feel sad for you if this is your attitude in life. How can you give sanction to a pedophile? Our children need to be protected, and you will understand this if you ever have a child that you are responsible for.

On your ridiculous and severely callous points; 1) She WAS being molested if she did not wished to be touched. 2) There is no indication that she was on drugs, nor is this an excuse for molestation if she was. 3) Your encouragement for pedophilia and molestation says a lot about your values.

Based on what you posted, I would say you have a lot of growing up ahead of you.



posted on Oct, 28 2012 @ 02:32 AM
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Originally posted by Phenomium
reply to post by Pinke
 

By the way...swallowing media propaganda? These were Gloria's own words....not the medias. Maybe it is you that are mistaken. She either said them as a champion for feminism....or she didn't.....there is video.
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The media likes to focus on the extreme feminists rather than the positive side of things. It's just a fact. Germaine Greer will get more attention saying something outwardly negative than any positive statements. It's a bit like the response to yourself in this thread.

Not all feminists are how you describe at all.



posted on Oct, 28 2012 @ 02:43 AM
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Originally posted by Xaphan
He's still not as creepy as this guy.


Omg...



posted on Oct, 28 2012 @ 02:46 AM
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Originally posted by badgerpit

Originally posted by dayve
Pfffffttt... She was not being molested, looks like she was on drugs and looking for an excuse to look like a idiot... And if his hand was up her skirt, more power to him. I'd have done the same thing, except with the girl standing in front.... Giggidy.......


You, and a couple of others here, are lacking empathy. If you feel that it is acceptable to molest others then you are an enemy of humanity. I suspect that you don't care and, luckily for you, are protected by the anonymous nature of blogging. It is not good for your health to molest people where I come from. I feel sad for you if this is your attitude in life. How can you give sanction to a pedophile? Our children need to be protected, and you will understand this if you ever have a child that you are responsible for.

On your ridiculous and severely callous points; 1) She WAS being molested if she did not wished to be touched. 2) There is no indication that she was on drugs, nor is this an excuse for molestation if she was. 3) Your encouragement for pedophilia and molestation says a lot about your values.

Based on what you posted, I would say you have a lot of growing up ahead of you.



Lack of empathy for something that cannot be proven does not equate an enemy of humanity, but lack of evidence while accusing others does equate slander. You did not see his hand do anything. In a court of law this would be tossed...this is why he never got taken to court...she was just wanting to do what she is doing now....getting attention. Drama and nothing more. Women do this all the time..and men get in trouble because people like you just buy it like it's on sale or something. Just another way for a woman to get attention at a man's expense! You aren't helping any either. Women can come up to a man and grab his crotch and (for the man) it means "I want you"...so this is the message that they receive as men. So if they do it to a woman....she all of the sudden thinks she's special or something. She is no more than a human meat bag like everyone else.
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posted on Oct, 28 2012 @ 02:51 AM
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Originally posted by Pinke

Originally posted by Phenomium
reply to post by Pinke
 

By the way...swallowing media propaganda? These were Gloria's own words....not the medias. Maybe it is you that are mistaken. She either said them as a champion for feminism....or she didn't.....there is video.
edit on 28-10-2012 by Phenomium because: (no reason given)


The media likes to focus on the extreme feminists rather than the positive side of things. It's just a fact. Germaine Greer will get more attention saying something outwardly negative than any positive statements. It's a bit like the response to yourself in this thread.

Not all feminists are how you describe at all.



I differentiated "people" from "feminism" because people ARE different...yet "feminism" is a single ideology which has roots in fascism, and is not a coat of many colors...it is feminism or it's not.
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posted on Oct, 28 2012 @ 02:53 AM
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Originally posted by badgerpit

Originally posted by dayve
Pfffffttt... She was not being molested, looks like she was on drugs and looking for an excuse to look like a idiot... And if his hand was up her skirt, more power to him. I'd have done the same thing, except with the girl standing in front.... Giggidy.......


You, and a couple of others here, are lacking empathy. If you feel that it is acceptable to molest others then you are an enemy of humanity. I suspect that you don't care and, luckily for you, are protected by the anonymous nature of blogging. It is not good for your health to molest people where I come from. I feel sad for you if this is your attitude in life. How can you give sanction to a pedophile? Our children need to be protected, and you will understand this if you ever have a child that you are responsible for.

On your ridiculous and severely callous points; 1) She WAS being molested if she did not wished to be touched. 2) There is no indication that she was on drugs, nor is this an excuse for molestation if she was. 3) Your encouragement for pedophilia and molestation says a lot about your values.

Based on what you posted, I would say you have a lot of growing up ahead of you.


Idk what your talkin about.... If you even watch the video you would see she is laughing... If he had his hand up her skirt against her will she would have not been so happy and it would be obvious.... Dont gimme that **** n pretend like anything i said is advocating 'molestation'..... You have some issues, thats beyond this subject.... Deal with it, then come back n debate about what happen in this video.



posted on Oct, 28 2012 @ 04:06 AM
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Originally posted by Phenomium

Lack of empathy for something that cannot be proven does not equate an enemy of humanity, but lack of evidence while accusing others does equate slander. You did not see his hand do anything. In a court of law this would be tossed...this is why he never got taken to court...she was just wanting to do what she is doing now....getting attention. Drama and nothing more. Women do this all the time..and men get in trouble because people like you just buy it like it's on sale or something. Just another way for a woman to get attention at a man's expense! You aren't helping any either. Women can come up to a man and grab his crotch and (for the man) it means "I want you"...so this is the message that they receive as men. So if they do it to a woman....she all of the sudden thinks she's special or something. She is no more than a human meat bag like everyone else.
edit on 28-10-2012 by Phenomium because: (no reason given)


You do know that theres more than 300 accusations on this person right?( who is dead) You do know dozens of people are about to be dragged into court and charged on very bad charges due to hiding and allowing Saville to do what he did, right? Its not just this one case...

But hey, lets blame the girl - she knew Saville was going to get these accusations towards him, 30 years later and now shes bringing it up
Damn feminists...


really do pitty you and the one person who is staring you;re posts, and I know who that is.

I'm not in anyway saying that one of you're very close relatives get molested like this, and ignored when they report it - But them who do not hear, feel. So whilst you're sat comfortably writing bull# that is irrelevant to the bigger picture, put you;re self in her shoes (I know, such a hard thought given her feminist stance :@@
And try, for one moment to imagine how you would feel. And then what you would do,. knowing that hundreds of other girls have come forward.

I'll probably leaving this thread now, I see where its going and how its been hijacked. I hope mods are watching this



posted on Oct, 28 2012 @ 04:43 AM
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Originally posted by AmberLeaf

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by badgerprints
Not to be a killjoy. I don't know this guy.
The girl is wearing a pair of pants but the article says he had his hand up her skirt.
is this a joke?


She was also 19 and appeared to find the situation amusing.







So i grope your 19 year old daughter...thats ok??

Shes laughing because its embarrassing and awkward given its LIVE. Imagine someone from the news starts filming you and some celebrity like tom cruise comes and shoves their hand down your pants, most likely you will do the same rather than hit a celebrity and look like a fool.

The guy was a god. Sexual assault is serious


Grope my 19 year old daughter, or touch any of my kids in any way, and I'll blow your head off with a shot gun.
Of course, I don't have kids yet, but that's how I would react.
They tell me I've got a bad temper..

What I find interesting, is that all those other girls around them just sit there and do and say absolutely nothing.

Live tv or not, he is feeling her up...surely SOMEONE would have thought it was wrong...those other cast around them...the camera crews....someone....????



posted on Oct, 28 2012 @ 05:49 AM
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Originally posted by ignorant_ape
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i hsate to open the ` can of worms ` labled " how victims should react " but look at her facial expression and hand movements - that is not indecent assault






I would hazard a guess that you're male? As most women looking at that would say

that is a look of 'shock' and 'embarassment' and distinct discomfort.


There are many pictures and tapes of Saville with his arms around half a dozen females

out there 'laughing' for the camera's publicity shots and the one thing i notice is behind

all those faces is a look of discomfort and embarassment.



posted on Oct, 28 2012 @ 05:55 AM
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How are we going to 'clear up today' if we do not tackle the misdemeanors of yesterday??



posted on Oct, 28 2012 @ 06:03 AM
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We can't and we we won't.
For the past, we can only look through Journalist's eyes and attempt to
penetrate the curtain of celebrity status, it's difficult because the breadcrumbs
lead into places we could never imagaine.

The way it was back then really hasn't changed that much for some, many of those
who enjoyed the lofty heights of TV reknown and the applause of fans are still around
and sometimes... only sometimes, the ways and ideas of those who like to sink to those
depths -rubs off on the next generation.
Things change and yet everything seems to stay the same.



posted on Oct, 28 2012 @ 06:07 AM
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Well i'm sure it comes as no surprise to anyone...


But Gary Glitter has been arrested today by police investigating the Jimmy Savile Sex abuse allegations.

www.bbc.co.uk...



posted on Oct, 28 2012 @ 06:16 AM
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Stop making excuses.She's an adult. Yeah,it's awkward..but you best believe if someone was doing that to me...on TV or not I'm not going to stand there and giggle like a school girl. Your last line is too funny...hit the guy and look like a fool? Who's the one that's going to look like a fool if you hit him and then say what he did? Think about that.


Use your mind and imagination for just a moment and take yourself back to 1970's Britain. 3 TV channels, celebrity demigods....when women on TV were regarded no higher than mere decoration ('what else could you use them for?' - and worse - much worse.....a time when it was legal for a husband to rape his wife....and if he chose to beat her the police refused to become involved because 'it was a domestic'.

Your comment reflects the anticipated reaction of a woman in the 21st century.....we are standing on the shoulders of giants. It took a long time for western women to get where they're at today.



posted on Oct, 28 2012 @ 06:16 AM
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lol BAID....That wasn't one of my profound statements
that was a reply to

Lone Wolfe who stated



I just read the OP and don't care to go deeper into this, i'm more concerned about the

millions of cases of sexual harrassment that go unreported today than to what happened

30 years ago!



posted on Oct, 28 2012 @ 06:21 AM
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I've been following the news about Jimmy Savile and one of the sites I viewed...
Source

...indicates some of the dark claims of organised child abuse.

I think that for some, the idea that inviting these folk -via the TV into your home
and have them deliver a feeling of good cheer, then discover that these 'zany' and
'fun-loving' people of the establishment were up to these disgusting acts is like
walking in on a favourite Uncle visiting your daughter's bedroom.

The sick-feeling is just below the heart.

Edit: In the case of Gary Glitter, the above scenario was near-enough true!



posted on Oct, 28 2012 @ 06:22 AM
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Originally posted by Kandinsky
reply to post by Seremela
 
People did come forward when he was alive and weren't believed. One girl was admitted to a Channel Islands asylum as mentally ill for making the allegation. The rumours were flying for almost his entire career.

You may or may not know that the climate for reporting sexual abuse was way, way different to today.


Really? Reading some of these comments I dont think much has changed at all.
Though, I understand some people are actually projecting their own fears and inadequacies
on the victim.




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