Horrible EU poster. "Praise Joseph Stalin + worldorder"

Originally posted by TheMaverick

Originally posted by Rebroadcast


I'd rather commit suicide than live in a nation that was in a union with the US. Your country has caused just as many problems for England as the EU.

You are repulsive.

Thats a bit unfair, yes America does things there own way, not to everyone liking or taste, but they have supported and committed their lives in battle for the UK and lost a lot of men in WW2 supporting the British, so as much as i understand your pain and agree on a lot you say Rebroadcast concerning Europe, that was uncalled for.

The US threatened to bankrupt our nation if we did not exit Suez, before doing exactly what we were doing. The US government refused to extradite known IRA terrorists, responsible for many deaths here in England and also in Ireland, they also refused to stop the money and arms flow, or deal with any of the IRA's activities in the US.

The US refused to support us in the Falklands, calling our military "ineffective", and all but supported the Argentines until we won. Now, their government refuses to hand over people responsible for the deaths of British citizens and soldiers in totally avoidable mistakes.

Uncalled for, you say?

Originally posted by Rebroadcast
You've never been an ally. Hopefully an independant England will treat the US as it always has been, an enemy.

One thing I do understand after living outside of London for 5 years.
There are people with your opinion....

and they are so few that you can't even call them a group.

The rabid radical minority. giving loud inconsequencial voice to their antisocial views.

Meh, those types are everywhere you go...be it someone like you in England, someone in some trailer with a white power sign in Kentucky here, etc.

Step 2 to world unification, we get the xenophobes and morons from all our countries and dump em on a island, then watch the new reality show.

Originally posted by SaturnFX

One thing I do understand after living outside of London for 5 years.
There are people with your opinion....

and they are so few that you can't even call them a group.

The rabid radical minority. giving loud inconsequencial voice to their antisocial views.

Meh, those types are everywhere you go...be it someone like you in England, someone in some trailer with a white power sign in Kentucky here, etc.

Step 2 to world unification, we get the xenophobes and morons from all our countries and dump em on a island, then watch the new reality show.

Spot on mate....

There are indeed bigots, racists, xenophobes an just ignorant pricks in every town and city in every country in the world.

And your idea about the island is exactly what I've always said

Originally posted by SaturnFX

NORAID is not a government organization..its a private organization based in America.

That could have been stopped if the US wasn't an enemy state.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
I am not part of that. I do not agree with the IRA's stance.

That is a non-point.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Again, pro-union here...Ireland needs to just suck it up and join the UK entirely.

Again, your ignorance is completely stupefying. The whole matter has nothing to do with Ireland joining a union.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
But now thats a whole new line...whats your views on Ireland V Britian? Where do you "side".

Here's a history lesson, because you are completely and utterly wrong about this. It is not an "Ireland V Britain" thing, it's a Catholic V Protestant thing. The Catholic minority cannot accept that the Protestant majority voted to keep the 6 counties that form Northern Ireland as a country inside the UK. I have no side. Although my family are Catholics from the Irish Republic, I am an athiest and see the whole sordid matter as yet another time Religion has fouled up.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
And how does the average Irishman feel about the average Englishman?

Probably absolutely nothing. Only radicals who are a minority will be of any opinion.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
glass houses and whatnot...feel free to yell angrily at the Germans, but do know someone over in shamrockville is cursing you with equal distain.

Given your painful lack of education surrounding these matters, and your painful desire to air any opinion that comes into your head regardless of accuracy, I'll take your silly and racist comment about the Irish with a handful salt.

Originally posted by SaturnFX

You are part of the cycle of hate, pointing fingers at others and probably thinking the fingers being pointed at you are unjust.

Nope.

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by Rebroadcast
You've never been an ally. Hopefully an independant England will treat the US as it always has been, an enemy.

One thing I do understand after living outside of London for 5 years.
There are people with your opinion....

and they are so few that you can't even call them a group.

The rabid radical minority. giving loud inconsequencial voice to their antisocial views.

Meh, those types are everywhere you go...be it someone like you in England, someone in some trailer with a white power sign in Kentucky here, etc.

Step 2 to world unification, we get the xenophobes and morons from all our countries and dump em on a island, then watch the new reality show.

Mori IPSOS state that 48% of people in England are in favour of independence. Hardly "so few you can't even call them a group".

Originally posted by Rebroadcast

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by Rebroadcast
You've never been an ally. Hopefully an independant England will treat the US as it always has been, an enemy.

One thing I do understand after living outside of London for 5 years.
There are people with your opinion....

and they are so few that you can't even call them a group.

The rabid radical minority. giving loud inconsequencial voice to their antisocial views.

Meh, those types are everywhere you go...be it someone like you in England, someone in some trailer with a white power sign in Kentucky here, etc.

Step 2 to world unification, we get the xenophobes and morons from all our countries and dump em on a island, then watch the new reality show.

Mori IPSOS state that 48% of people in England are in favour of independence. Hardly "so few you can't even call them a group".

Wasn't discussing people whom want independents from the EU. There are pros and cons with such a decision and it should be made with eyes wide open.

Was more pointing at those whom would consider the US an enemy.
We tend to carpet bomb enemy civilizations until their buildings are rubble..then we bomb the rubble to create sand, then we dig for oil in the sand and call it nation building

I don't think you want to be our enemy.
1776 was the last time you made that mistake.

YAY


A nationalistic pissing contest...


Featuring such lines as..

"we won you the war"

And that old chestnut

"you only joined when we'd done all the hard work"


Stay tuned folks..

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by Rebroadcast

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by Rebroadcast
You've never been an ally. Hopefully an independant England will treat the US as it always has been, an enemy.

One thing I do understand after living outside of London for 5 years.
There are people with your opinion....

and they are so few that you can't even call them a group.

The rabid radical minority. giving loud inconsequencial voice to their antisocial views.

Meh, those types are everywhere you go...be it someone like you in England, someone in some trailer with a white power sign in Kentucky here, etc.

Step 2 to world unification, we get the xenophobes and morons from all our countries and dump em on a island, then watch the new reality show.

Mori IPSOS state that 48% of people in England are in favour of independence. Hardly "so few you can't even call them a group".

Wasn't discussing people whom want independents from the EU. There are pros and cons with such a decision and it should be made with eyes wide open.

Was more pointing at those whom would consider the US an enemy.
We tend to carpet bomb enemy civilizations until their buildings are rubble..then we bomb the rubble to create sand, then we dig for oil in the sand and call it nation building

I don't think you want to be our enemy.
1776 was the last time you made that mistake.

I am talking about English independence as a sovereign state split from the UK.

I would also like to take the time to remind you that we are a nuclear armed country. I think carpet bombing would result in a few hundred million dead US citizens.

I don't think you want to make threats like that

Originally posted by Rebroadcast
I am talking about English independence as a sovereign state split from the UK.

What tha...

Haven't heard of that before. I don't think its in Englands interest to break from the UK considering they are pretty much the heart and soul of the UK.
Like someone suggesting Washington DC break away from the US

Now, I know that the Scots were grumbling something about that..a minority..and England more or less said, yes..please go.

The only article I was able to produce from this claim is a Sun article saying 48% of Britons wanted to leave the UK..they weren't talking about breaking away the different countries though..they were talking about getting on a airplane and literally leaving for sunny shores
Article Here

Are you confused or did I miss something?

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by Rebroadcast
I am talking about English independence as a sovereign state split from the UK.

What tha...

Haven't heard of that before. I don't think its in Englands interest to break from the UK considering they are pretty much the heart and soul of the UK.
Like someone suggesting Washington DC break away from the US

Now, I know that the Scots were grumbling something about that..a minority..and England more or less said, yes..please go.

The only article I was able to produce from this claim is a Sun article saying 48% of Britons wanted to leave the UK..they weren't talking about breaking away the different countries though..they were talking about getting on a airplane and literally leaving for sunny shores
Article Here

Are you confused or did I miss something?

No, you missed something.

A MORI opinion poll commissioned jointly by the Campaign for an English Parliament under the English Constitutional Convention Banner indicated that support for the creation of an English Parliament with the same powers as the existing Scottish Parliament had risen, with 41% of those questioned favouring such a move. In the same month an ICM Omnibus poll commissioned by the Progressive Partnership (a Scottish research organisation) showed that support for full English Independence had reached 31% of those questioned. In November 2006, another ICM poll commissioned by the Sunday Telegraph, showed that support for an English Parliament had reached 68% and support for full English Independence had reached 48% of those questioned.

en.wikipedia.org...

And once again, your ignorance shines above reason. 50 Million English people, the largest constituent nation in the UK, the richest and with by far the largest economy out of the other nations, are the only ones not allowed to have an English Parliament. Scottish MPs and Welsh MPs are allowed to rule on our matters, but English MPs are not allowed to rule on theirs. We pay the most in taxes and recieve the least in social infrastructure. And yet in your endless wisdom, you feel we are better inside the union?

Originally posted by Rebroadcast
Scottish MPs and Welsh MPs are allowed to rule on our matters, but English MPs are not allowed to rule on theirs. We pay the most in taxes and recieve the least in social infrastructure. And yet in your endless wisdom, you feel we are better inside the union?

Seems I am ignorant on this.

Unions must be fair and equal to be viable.
I don't know too much about the complexities of english government. Sounds like the move would quickly reach majority if the demand was for equal representation in line with what the scots and welsh get.

I stand by my views that unified lands makes strong lands...equality is a requirement though...else its not unified in any meaningful way.

Done with this convo though. Going to get some errands done and we are way off topic anyhow, but it was fun going back and forth with you. Its good to disagree with people..ideally it makes both sides a bit more educated, or at least come up with good zingers.

Next thread we find common ground

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by Rebroadcast
Scottish MPs and Welsh MPs are allowed to rule on our matters, but English MPs are not allowed to rule on theirs. We pay the most in taxes and recieve the least in social infrastructure. And yet in your endless wisdom, you feel we are better inside the union?

Seems I am ignorant on this.

Unions must be fair and equal to be viable.
I don't know too much about the complexities of english government. Sounds like the move would quickly reach majority if the demand was for equal representation in line with what the scots and welsh get.

I stand by my views that unified lands makes strong lands...equality is a requirement though...else its not unified in any meaningful way.

Done with this convo though. Going to get some errands done and we are way off topic anyhow, but it was fun going back and forth with you. Its good to disagree with people..ideally it makes both sides a bit more educated, or at least come up with good zingers.

Next thread we find common ground

I am a nationalist, I am opposed in every single way to everything you espouse. Your views are disgusting and opposed by, as you can see, most people in the UK and on a wider scale the European continent. I find you ignorant, poorly educated and arrogant.

There is nothing, nothing we could possibly find ANY common ground on. I find you and everything you represent and espouse to be disgusting.

I genuinely hope that this is the last time I have to confront your ignorance or even see your posts again.

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Again world peace would be great..but the way you suggest it SaturnFX is creepy. You want to enforce people into unions controled by a minority of people far away from their homeland. Unions created like that is doomed even before they are created. It's polecies like this that create terrorism and violent revolutions.

I say no thanks to this nationbuilding because it is obvious that to much decentralization allways results in regional chaos in some kind or another. I Live in Denmark and live by the stupid EU-rules enforced upon us to tax, further enslave or spy more on us. There is also tons of braindead regulations, like when a few years ago they banned all cucumbers that had an curbed angle above a certain degree.

I've seen how we are not allowed to patrol our boarders and it makes me angry. But what makes me even more angry is the constant battle with the union to be allowed to ban foodadditives (poisons) and the constant war on terror which is legalized by some stupid lie.

When unions grows larger, my democratic voice decrease.

I think America has done a lot of good for the European countries in the past, but in the last decades, both the US and Europe been corupt to the core and has'nt done much good for its people, what is scary is that it seams that they try to accelerate the degree in madness every time they get the slightest chance. I think your unwavering pledge of alliancy deserve a thumbs up, but at the same time you have to understand that the European union is not its people. In half of the countries you can find large opposition against the union, because we lived it and seen how things are going for the worse.

As i mentioned earlyer, my country has been hijacked into this union by corrupt poleticians, I would not be supprised if the same is true in other European countries.


There is another aspect to your kind of world "peace" that makes it even more scary, that is how we try to enforce democracy on islamic countries with our "peacebombs" that kill more civilians than Al Qaeda in Pakistan. This activity happens in other countries to, the US also bomb in Afghanistan and Yemen and not long ago it was in Libya and iraq. You also have a lot proffs about how we support rebels in Syria and did the same in Libya even thou there is clear proof of Al Qaeda links within some parts of the rebel side.

Originally posted by Rebroadcast
I'd rather commit suicide than live in a nation that was in a union with the US. Your country has caused just as many problems for England as the EU.

You are repulsive

Hmm, I agree that we shouldnt go into a political union with America, except maybe on things like freedomrights and free trade, but I sure dont want a deeply connection to their polecies like the NDAA, that thing is pure tyrany on paper. Not interested in a political union with a nation that ships weapons to foreign mafia cartels like with the fast and furious case. A nation that protects opium fields in Afghanistans Hellman province.
In my oppinion NATO has passed the line to its jurisdiction my miles and we should concider to restrict its ability for invasion wars.

"You are repulsive" I presume you mean America and US poletics and not SaturnFX or the average american here, if that is correct i wont disagree, but it could be misunderstood.

With Red's like this guy I am not surprised that crap like this is payed for with EU funds

Barroso's political activity began in his late teens, during the Estado Novo regime in Portugal, before the Carnation Revolution of 25 April 1974. In his college days, he was one of the leaders of the underground Maoist MRPP (Reorganising Movement of the Proletariat Party, later PCTP/MRPP, Communist Party of the Portuguese Workers/Revolutionary Movement of the Portuguese Proletariat). In an interview with the newspaper Expresso, he said that he had joined MRPP to fight the only other student body movement, also underground, which was controlled by the Portuguese Communist Party. Despite this justification there is a very famous political 1976 interview recorded by the Portuguese state-run television channel — RTP, in which Barroso, as a politically minded student during the post-Carnation Revolution turmoil known as PREC, criticises the bourgeois education system which "throws students against workers and workers against students."[3]

All its missing is the Swastika.

How much blood has the USA spilled for Europe to defeat the communists, socialist, and fascists in the last century?

You can only be saved from yourselves so much and I say if this is what you really want we should let you tie that anchor to your necks and jump overboard. You are no longer worth it.

Originally posted by Mimir
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Again world peace would be great..but the way you suggest it SaturnFX is creepy. You want to enforce people into unions controled by a minority of people far away from their homeland. Unions created like that is doomed even before they are created. It's polecies like this that create terrorism and violent revolutions.

Your avatar pic sort of is my focus of motivation. a giant explosion. Its not so much world peace I am wanting as much as surviving to a type 1/2 civilization. For now, we have small countries with big technology...If there are 300 different mini nations in Europe verses a giant union, then eventually wars are going to break out..and with new toys, it can truely threaten all of humanity.

My eye is on getting out and colonizing space..this is the sort of end goal..but until that happens, all our eggs are in one basket..if you consider it that way, what then is the best way to ensure that civilization lasts until we can afford to lose this world in a giant nuclear crapstorm and still not effect the species? Forget nukes..we are overdue for a extinction level meteor smacking us out of existance.

Sometimes, petty squabbles are overruled by goal oriented targets that is greater than any one nation.

So, if the EU doesn't work as it stands and you don't see what would possibly fix it, what do you propose in order to get this world eventually unified, working together, and making a concerted effort to expand out...or are you cynical and think we are doomed to extinction due to a inability to ever work and join together?

I shouldn't care..my goal may happen long after my death..but its good to see further down the road than my own little insignificant life.

reply to post by Mimir

seeing something like this no wonder i'm instinctively opposed to the UK getting further into bed with the EU

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Ten out of ten for educating saturnfx.
Argumentative little toad!
While you were arguing I was at the pub.
Is it just me,am I the only one thinking ,what the hell was he on about?
Time to listen to a CD - green day,American idiot.

reply to post by SaturnFX

Sometimes, petty squabbles are overruled by goal oriented targets that is greater than any one nation. So, if the EU doesn't work as it stands and you don't see what would possibly fix it, what do you propose in order to get this world eventually unified, working together, and making a concerted effort to expand out...or are you cynical and think we are doomed to extinction due to a inability to ever work and join together?

Little credit and respect is given to the Indians of the North America, but in the questions you pose perhaps they may be of use to answer the questions.

After countless years of warfare some wise people (they are always present I am convinced) formed the Iroquois Confederacy. It was based on an intricate power of balance constitution. So when you hear the US Constitution is the wonder of the world, I would suggest reading what the Iroquois Confederacy did first.

The legend of how it started,

Because the Algonquian people living on both sides of the Iroquois corridor are of a different culture and linguistic stock, it appears likely that the Iroquois migrated into this area at some time. No evidence has been found to indicate where they came from, however. The Cherokee people, whose historic homeland was in the southeastern United States, belong to the same linguistic group and share some other links with the Iroquois. Where and when they may have lived near each other is unknown. Despite their common culture and language, relations among the Five Tribes deteriorated to a state of near-constant warfare in ancient times. The infighting, in turn, made them vulnerable to attacks from the surrounding Algonquian tribes. This period, known in the Iroquois oral tradition as the "darktimes," reached a nadir during the reign of a psychotic Onondaga chief named Todadaho. Legend has it that he was a cannibal who ate from bowls made from the skulls of his victims, that he knew and saw everything, that his hair contained a tangle of snakes, and that he could kill with only a Medusa-like look. Into this terrible era, however, entered two heroic figures. Deganawidah came from his Huron homeland in the north, travelling unchallenged among the hostile Iroquois. Finally, he encountered a violent, cannibalistic Onondagan. According to legend, Deganawidah watched through a hole in the roof while the man prepared to cook his latest victim. Seeing the stranger's face reflected in the cooking pot, the barbarian assumed it to be his own image. He was struck by the thought that the beauty of the face was incompatible with the horrendous practice of cannibalism and immediately forsook the practice. He went outside to dispose of the corpse, and when he returned to his lodge he met Deganawidah. The foreigner's words of peace and righteousness were so powerful that the man became a loyal disciple and helped spread the message. Deganawidah named his disciple Hiawatha, meaning "he who combs," and sent him to confront Todadaho and remove the snakes from the chief's hair. After enduring terrible hardships at his adversary's hands, and after convincing the other Iroquoian chiefs to accept the Good Message, Hiawatha finally convinced Todadaho as well. On the banks of Onondaga Lake, sometime between 1350 and 1600, Deganawidah established the Iroquois Confederacy, a league of nations that shared a positive code of values and lived in mutual harmony. Out of respect, the Iroquois refer to him as the Peacemaker.

Great Law Of Peace Government Structure The Peacemaker provided through the Great Law of Peace, a complex structure allowing for the separation of powers, checks and balances, ratification, public opinion, and equality of all peoples. As the Onondaga Clan Mother, Audrey Shenandoah, states: Within our society we maintain a balance between the responsibilities of the women, the responsibilities of the men, of the chiefs, of the faithkeepers. All the people in between have a special job to do to help to keep this balance so that at no time do we come to a place within our society where anyone has more power than any of the rest, for our leadership all have equal power. They must be able to listen to one another. Each Nation has its own autonomy to deal with its internal affairs, and there is a Grand Council that deals with problems that may affect all of the nations within the Confederacy.

Link

What is remarkable in the above is the role of women in the governing.

get this world eventually unified,

I would argue that if someone can not keep his back yard organized what chance is there to do it on a global scale. On a global scale it will simply be global robbery as the electronic age has shown us in the area of finance.