Jeep, an Obama favorite, looks to shift production to China, page


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reply posted on 26-10-2012 @ 09:54 AM by hp1229
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Agree. I had a 1960 CJ3B which I sold it recently. Pure all american simple engineering. Can't get that anymore. However CHRYSLER is the problem where they have a bad engineering department (mostly outsourced engineers) and ofcourse it starts from the management. They use tonnes of faulty sensors and components that it becomes a money pit after a few years. Would love to get a fully restored MB someday


reply posted on 26-10-2012 @ 09:59 AM by hp1229
Originally posted by sheepslayer247
This shows more for our economic situation than the political. If Obama was truly the root cause of the problem, then why wouldn't they just wait and see of Romney was elected?

They know that either way it doesn't matter. The economy cannot support itself much longer in it's current state and it's best to take their company to a place that has a better environment to prosper. Unfortunately, China has a lot to offer and since our politicians can't get their head out of their asses, our American jobs are going to the Chinese.
Agree. Exactly why the POTUS shouldn't make empty promises to the voters that we will bring manufacturing jobs back to US shores and blah blah blah. With Romney, it is a given that he comes from a business background and it is part of the business/economic equation based upon the unfortunate but sad reality of US economy. Ofcourse businesses focus on ROI and Returns to the stock/share holders as that is what anyone would expect on their investments. How can a company provide just that if our UNION workers (for the most part) lack work ethics with respect to QUALITY? Take the case of BMW which does not have a union in the US yet the quality of cars are still maintained just the same as other Japanese manufacturers that manufacture/assemble them in US. In reality, it is the economic situation that is forcing anyone(Republican/Democrat/Independents) to make such a trade decision.


reply posted on 26-10-2012 @ 10:08 AM by darkhorserider
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Regardless of how this affects Obama, it would CRUSH Jeep! Jeep enthusiasts will NOT buy Chinese Jeeps. I have owned 4, and I currently own a 2011 Wrangler, and the quality in 2011 is nothing like it has been in the past. I won't buy a new jeep again, I'll stick to the 70s and 80s models. If they move production overseas, it will just reinforce that sentiment even more. All the jeep enthusiasts I know would feel the same way.

Surely Jeep has focus groups and marketing firms, and surely they will put out some feelers to guage the impact on sales before they do something stupid like this?

Actually, the more that I think about it, hell let them move! The Used Jeep business will go through the roof, and maybe I can make a few bucks buying and selling old Jeeps! The New Jeep business will be dead in the water. Maybe this would actually be a good thing for me, LOL!


reply posted on 26-10-2012 @ 10:14 AM by sheepslayer247
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I would not go as far as to blame the Unions for lack of quality or work ethics.

As an Executive Chef, I know that the quality of the food we produce and the work my people do is completely based on how I lead.

If I purchase less then acceptable products to build a meal, and if I do not lead by example by getting in the trenches with my people, it will affect the final product.

So I would blame the people at the top of Jeep that are making bad decisions that compromise the quality of the product. The Union people on the lines are just doing as they are told.


reply posted on 26-10-2012 @ 12:00 PM by hp1229
Originally posted by darkhorserider
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Regardless of how this affects Obama, it would CRUSH Jeep! Jeep enthusiasts will NOT buy Chinese Jeeps. I have owned 4, and I currently own a 2011 Wrangler, and the quality in 2011 is nothing like it has been in the past. I won't buy a new jeep again, I'll stick to the 70s and 80s models. If they move production overseas, it will just reinforce that sentiment even more. All the jeep enthusiasts I know would feel the same way.

True. At the same time, I know for sure that the Chinese auto industry has been lobbying heavily to penetrate the US market for a long time. They openly do not market or advertise their 2 wheelers in US but they do sell them through small distributors. I bet they'll use the opportunity (should jeep finalize the deal) to inject few chinese models/versions of the jeep back into the US market. I agree about the 2nd hand used jeep value going up Too bad I just sold my 1960 CJ3B.


reply posted on 26-10-2012 @ 12:07 PM by hp1229
Originally posted by sheepslayer247
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I would not go as far as to blame the Unions for lack of quality or work ethics.

As an Executive Chef, I know that the quality of the food we produce and the work my people do is completely based on how I lead.

If I purchase less then acceptable products to build a meal, and if I do not lead by example by getting in the trenches with my people, it will affect the final product.

So I would blame the people at the top of Jeep that are making bad decisions that compromise the quality of the product. The Union people on the lines are just doing as they are told.
Ideally speaking yes it would make sense. But I have worked for union back when I used to attend college (80's). I was instructed by the union to stick to the quota and do not work or increase the output. At the same time, I have witnessed workers with the lowest technical skills working on the assembly line (Westinghouse) who couldn't care less what was expected. The only thing mattered was the union representative and ofcourse the time cards even though the management's quality expectations were up there. The result was rejected product from the retailers months after they were shipped off the assembly line.


reply posted on 26-10-2012 @ 12:09 PM by relocator
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In a Bloomberg interview, Jeep's president said the automaker plans to restore Jeep production in China, suspended in 2009, and is considering making all Jeeps in China. "Fiat SpA, majority owner of Chrysler Group LLC, plans to return Jeep output to China and may eventually make all of its models in that country, according to the head of both automakers' operations in the region," reported the business wire service.


heads up....Apparently production was going on back in 2009...

I believe China products suck and so does Walmart...and American's want Made IN America products....They'll be back...once their there profits take a hit and they realize no one wants Cheap, Poisionous, Child labor China products...They'll be back.


reply posted on 29-10-2012 @ 11:50 PM by Clisen33
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So basically, take away jobs that build an all American car and then sell the said vehicle back to Americans?

This is so dirty.
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reply posted on 31-10-2012 @ 11:11 AM by FreebirdGirl
Does anybody do their own research anymore or do we just believe what we want to hear?

Jeep not moving to China, Mr. Romney


www.csmonitor.com...

In an e-mail to employees, the chief executive, Sergio Marchionne, said that Jeep’s commitment to the United States was unequivocal. “I feel obliged to unambiguously restate our position: Jeep production will not be moved from the United States to China,” he wrote. “It is inaccurate to suggest anything different.”


thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com...

Romney was apparently responding to reports Thursday on right-leaning blogs that misinterpreted a recent Bloomberg News story earlier this week that said Chrysler, owned by Italian automaker Fiat SpA, is thinking of building Jeeps in China for sale in the Chinese market.
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The truth is that Chrysler is not moving its Jeep production from America to China. As Chrysler said today, 'Jeep has no intention of shifting production of its Jeep models out of North America to China.' And what's more: President Obama has fought on behalf of U.S. auto workers by challenging unfair Chinese tariffs on U.S. auto exports to China, including Jeeps, while Romney would have let the American auto industry and a million jobs go under."
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www.detroitnews.com...


reply posted on 4-11-2012 @ 05:47 AM by alternateuniverse
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Former Chrysler CEO endorses Romney.

Former Chrysler President Hal Sperlich called the disagreement between the auto company and the former Massachusetts governor a distraction in a USA Today op-ed endorsing Romney.


Sperlich said Romney would create the most conducive economic environment for car companies to thrive.


"My former Chrysler boss, Lee Iacocca, and I have watched the last four years, and it hasn't been pretty with so many Americans out of work," he said. "Gov. Romney proposes a turnaround for America that will make America the place to do business, providing the jobs our people need. I know it's a cliché, but we can't afford four more years like the last four."


Former Chrysler executive endorses Romney for president
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