Depopulation of Indigenous Populations in the West, Russia and Japan is a Fact

Originally posted by WoodSpirit

Western governments are not pursuing large scale immigration, in fact, most countries have more or less closed the borders and want less immigration. I also didn't know there was a minimum level of population these countries need to stay above.

These links reveal that you are mistaken in your belief that "most countries have more or less closed the borders and want less immigration"

Immigration to Canada

Immigration to Australia

Immigration to Europe

Immigration to the United States

Originally posted by ollncasino


The US seems successful at building a culturally homogenous society of immigrants which reduces racist/cultural tensions. Europe less so.

Overall you are right though I wouldn't say successful, more like a work in progress.

The US is still young and really doesn't have a culture yet like Europe. Unless you count Hollywood as our culture...ugh.

But we are slowly but surely getting there.

One of the problems in Europe, as I see it, that the immigrants there are not assimilating into the culture, but rather replacing it with their own, from their home country.

That is irritating a lot of people.

Originally posted by Sissel

I still think your post smacks of bigotry and racism.

How so? This seems to be a emotional response rather than one that has critical thought applied.

There are plenty of studies that back up what the OP says.

But then people get into huff using political ideology or religion.

But the facts are there...regardless of how you feel about it.

Put the feelings aside and look at the data. It's there in plain sight.

Originally posted by TDawgRex

One of the problems in Europe, as I see it, that the immigrants there are not assimilating into the culture, but rather replacing it with their own, from their home country.

That is irritating a lot of people.

What irritates a lot of people is that to even mention the fact that indigenous Europeans are not having enough kids and are being replaced by people of different cultures leads to aggressive accusations of racism.

As per this thread...

I like Western culture.

reply to post by ollncasino


Read Mark Steyns "America Alone".

The book is basically all about this topic, though it does concentrate on the spread of Islam through this very means.

But looking at the book rationally, he cites plenty of credible sources.

Originally posted by TDawgRex


How so? This seems to be a emotional response rather than one that has critical thought applied.

There are plenty of studies that back up what the OP says.

But then people get into huff using political ideology or religion.

But the facts are there...regardless of how you feel about it.

Put the feelings aside and look at the data. It's there in plain sight.

Because I don't give a crap about who has babies. It's not up to me to say.

Facts might be facts but, in the US there were more babies born to non whites statistically recently, so? Who am I to say who can and cannot procreate? It's none of my business, nor should it be yours.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

New 2011 census estimates highlight a historic shift underway in the nation's racial makeup. They mark a transformation in a country once dominated by whites and bitterly divided over slavery and civil rights, even as it wrestles now over the question of restricting immigration.

Honeslty, who gives a crap?

It's up to the parents to preserve family history, so on...to blended families who can enjoy multi culteralism, and not for anybody else to say.

reply to post by Sissel


Wow! Is there a agenda there? Who cares about mixed marriages or relationships? I don't.

The original post was nowhere even near that topic until you made it so.

The thread is about depopulation, not how you feel about who should have babies.

There have been studies that say the majority of the US will look like Brazilians within two hundred years. Good for us!

But we'll still have ideology and religion to divide us.

One of the problems in Europe, as I see it, that the immigrants there are not assimilating into the culture, but rather replacing it with their own, from their home country.

That is irritating a lot of people.

TDawg

If the countries policy is to assimilate, it could be annoying to see cultures not adapting to a melting pot strategy as they "ought" to. Then again, the multi-cultural approach that encourages the preservation of peoples native cultures right here in Canada is largely successful, and treads a lot less less toes than the expectation of assimilation imo. Since our immigration is a trickle compared to more populous countries, I'd have to call the integration and celebration of other cultures a highly successful one, and one which we've been promoting for many decades. Are we the only freaking country that operates on a multi-cultural notion?

It saddens me to see people getting bent out of shape over immigrants "diluting" the melting pot of common culture, instead of enjoying te ethnic diversity. I also think it's a matter of what you are used to, were raised up believing and reinforced with personal examples, a sociol and political atmosphere of culture clashes over acceptances, etc.

Originally posted by Sissel

Facts might be facts but, in the US there were more babies born to non whites statistically recently, so? Who am I to say who can and cannot procreate? It's none of my business, nor should it be yours.

Are you suggesting that people should be stopped from having children?

I certainly am not.

I do however object to people who move to the West and then, rather than making an effort to integrate and respect Western culture, expect the West to bend over backwards to respect theirs.

Why move to the West at all if you wish to recreate your own country there?

Originally posted by ollncasino


Are you suggesting that people should be stopped from having children?

Not at all.

I do however object to people who move to the West and then, rather than making an effort to integrate and respect Western culture, expect the West to bend over backwards to respect theirs.

Why move to the West at all if you wish to recreate your own country there?

Perhaps you can create another thread to your angst about this, or is this the reason for your creation of this thread?

reply to post by ollncasino


Not "Western Culture", American culture on that one. Please ... most people I know this side of the border embrace multi-culturalism, ethnic diversity, different religions, to accomodate people and allow them to feel like they have a sense of worth and dignity, which they do. That term isn't just window dressing!

My last job (a log home company) had a Slovakian boss, a Sicilian right-hand man, and Mexicans, Brits, and native Canucks working alongside each other, with the only race cards pulled over the years being in good taste and for fun.

Originally posted by Sissel

Perhaps you can create another thread to your angst about this, or is this the reason for your creation of this thread?

Perhaps you could start a thread detailing the benefits of the demise of Western culture, as perceived by you from the perspective of your politically correct analytical framework?

It would make for interesting reading.

Many of my friends are now in the early or mid 30's and most don't have kids. People don't have the time or are leaving it later in life. I think there's an element of selfishness involved not wanting to take on the responsibility of kids. I mean they pretty much put an end to a social life.

Still there seems to be lots of young girls in my town with prams, so some people are definitely still having them.

The concerning thing should be for those who intend to retire on a state pension that needs to be paid for by the working tax payer. We in the uk are an ageing society, with potentially more people of retirement age than working age. Gonna be some big problems ahead.

So how do we get Brits having more babies? Seems like too much of a financial burden to the individual and the state.

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reply to post by Northwarden


I see the US and Canada as role models when it comes to imigration.

But even so, if you look at the census, immigrants have a tendency to cluster. I think it’s a comfort thing. Being around those who have a shared culture/ideology/religion.

Chinatown in San Fran, Dearborn in Michigan, Little Italy in Cleveland…etc, etc.

But over time even those get assilmilated.

I'm amazed no one has thought of this yet.

reply to post by Northwarden


For sure, Canadian multiculturalism or w/e we have is good, i don't see a radical running our claiming they want their rights or their religion is superior, and i live in Toronto, probably the most multicolored place in Canada.

What people don't understand is that, immigrants here are have had their grandchildren, and their grandchildren is more Canadian than their own Culture.. i know few friends who almost lost their native tongue..

Canada will be a good example of how multiculturalism should be, Europe would be a bad example, and US is in the middle.

Originally posted by Northwarden

Not "Western Culture", American culture on that one. Please ... most people I know this side of the border embrace multi-culturalism, ethnic diversity, different religions, to accomodate people and allow them to feel like they have a sense of worth and dignity, which they do. That term isn't just window dressing!

When does a set of disparate cultures living side stop identifying with each other as a single group?

Sadly, multiculturalism can lead to the Balkanisation of populations. That ended badly in the Balkans.

Originally posted by Northwarden
My last job (a log home company) had a Slovakian boss, a Sicilian right-hand man, and Mexicans, Brits, and native Canucks working alongside each other, with the only race cards pulled over the years being in good taste and for fun.

I find that most people from around the world get on just fine. No one is suggesting however that birds of a feather don't flock together.

Originally posted by ollncasino


Perhaps you could start a thread detailing the benefits of the demise of Western culture, as perceived by you from the perspective of your politically correct analytical framework?

It would make for interesting reading.

The world is becoming a small place. For one to think that this wouldn't happen is idiotic to say the least.

reply to post by ollncasino

When does a set of disparate cultures living side stop identifying with each other as a single group?

Sadly, multiculturalism can lead to the Balkanisation of populations. That ended badly in the Balkans.

I can't speak for the Balkans, but here the issue is simply over-looked by most. People and families moving around and searching for good job opportunities and communities they want to live in takes precedence. People still flock together in big city centers, but smaller community living arrangements are dictated by rent and housing prices, not the colour of the potential neighbour! I'd say that for plenty of us in Canada racism is simply a non-issue, and it's intriguing to see our differences instead of a concern.

Originally posted by Sissel

The world is becoming a small place. For one to think that this wouldn't happen is idiotic to say the least

You assert that globalization will result in the demise of Western culture.

Do you also predict that globalization will lead to the demise of Chinese, Japanese and Arabic culture?

Would I be correct in deducing that you, like many proponents of political correctness, respect cultures around the world, yet are full of self loathing for your own?