Are voting fraud, intimidation, smear tactics, and violence how the Left operates now?

When democraps do it..Drone - "Meh ..both sides do it"
When Republicans do it.. Drone - "Hang them racist bigots"

Originally posted by VaterOrlaag
reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

 

The data you have is nothing but # as well.

Show us proof that the left-wing engages in voter intimidation. I don't like it when ignoramuses use blanket statements like yours to paint an entire group of people as supporting something.

Do me a favor and shut off the idiot box.

No, the links I showed have actual evidence. The bruises on the victim look like numbers to you? The Romney votes for Obama? That's REAL fraud and intimidation. Every link, all factual, is about the left, not the right. I have invited you to show some data, and am still waiting for the links. All I have seen are stories of a handful of people mistakenly removed from the lists, that were added back in. Claims of more, with zero actual evidence. Tons of evidence in the links I provided. Did you read them all?

Originally posted by LeoStarchild
When democraps do it..Drone - "Meh ..both sides do it"
When Republicans do it.. Drone - "Hang them racist bigots"

That about sums it up! I still don't have any good evidence of the GOP actually cheating, as I have requested. Don't think I will hold my breath!

That's quite a list. Your first link... Oh, it's the computer prediction from Fox Business. That's the only one I didn't actually look at. Not to be snarky, but Fox has a known agenda and I can make my computer say stuff too. You then move on to the Seattle letters fraudulently attempting to disenfranchise eligible Florida voters.
FBI joins investigation...
This is indefensible. This is a not-so-bright individual trying to counter the efforts of an inexplicably elected official to fraudulently disenfranchise eligible Florida voters.

Remember?
Indefensible.

A defective machine? Machine gave Romney votes to Obama They caught it and fixed it. If it had been a "fix" would the voters themselves have been able to see the switched vote? "Actually read it", you said. Did you?

Violence from the left This is disturbing. Almost as disturbing as
this. Or this. And certainly more believeable than
this. Along with the vast majority of democrats, I fully denounce this crap. Greeneyes? Ready to pick an avatar that isn't holding a rifle?

You didn't really categorize your Gish Gallop so I'm going to go a little out of order here in order to address all your violence themes.
....and she's a delegate...
Well that was stupid, wasn't it? Now, Tagg Romney's HULK SMASH moment wasn't as bad as this lady's. So how about somebod y else I've actually heard of?

What's next? Wait, seriously? a family affair?]An O'Keef hit piece? You know this guy's claim to fame is video doctoring, right?

Next? Oh, hell. You win. I've been at this for three hours. This is the real advantage of your party, Greeneyes. You have an instinctive understanding of [hypo=low; cratos=power]. And it doesn't bother you.

Originally posted by Vitruvius
*snip*
This is indefensible. This is a not-so-bright individual trying to counter the efforts of an inexplicably elected official to fraudulently disenfranchise eligible Florida voters.

Purging ineligible voters isn't a bad thing, as a couple of my links proved. People screaming and wailing and filing suit doesn't mean someone actually did anything wrong. Just means they are mad that the non-citizens they had lined up to vote for Obama can't now. The person, or people, that did this are trying to smear Florida, from what anyone can tell. Not very bright, no. Not defensible in any way.

Originally posted by VitruviusA defective machine? They caught it and fixed it. If it had been a "fix" would the voters themselves have been able to see the switched vote? "Actually read it", you said. Did you?

Yes, I read it. They claim it was from a machine that needed "re-calibrating". Nonsense, since they are supposed to calibrate and test these machines prior to an election. Yes, it's possible that it was a fix. How many people didn't notice? I KNOW people that might not double check. Besides which, it would not be the first time some Democrat tried rigging an election. There were multiple stories back in 2000. If this was Obama votes being marked as for Romney, we all know the outcry would be deafening.

Originally posted by VitruviusViolence from the left This is disturbing. Almost as disturbing as
this. Or this. *snip* Along with the vast majority of democrats, I fully denounce this crap. Greeneyes? Ready to pick an avatar that isn't holding a rifle?

Two cases of bullets hitting a building, no one hurt, and no proof who did it.....reminds me of that case where the HS kid faked a "racist attack" by making a dummy and hanging it himself, to make his classmates look like racists. That isn't anything close to thugs beating a guy up after trying to steal his yard signs. Or the case I personally know of, in 2000 in Florida, where thugs came into a Republican campaign office and physically bullied the elderly volunteers.

No, I like my avatar. Are you not familiar with the old V miniseries? I like guns, too. I find it interesting that you want to dismiss many of the links. No, a comment from Romney's son about wishing he could punch someone (and not actually meaning it literally) isn't anything close to a comment fro a DNC delegate that she wants to kill Romney. No, it isn't alright to dismiss claims of voter fraud from the family member of a Democratic Congressman. These are all real cases.

All links in the op come from Fox, this may not make your case very strong. So I did a small search and - heck - the GOP seems to be in the business of voter fraud too!

Voter fraud GOP LA

Voter fraud GO North Carolina

Voter fraud contractor GOP Virginia

Strategic Allied Consulting voter fraud Florida

I found more, if people are interested.

Originally posted by Spinoza73
All links in the op come from Fox, this may not make your case very strong. So I did a small search and - heck - the GOP seems to be in the business of voter fraud too!

Voter fraud GOP LA

Voter fraud GO North Carolina

Voter fraud contractor GOP Virginia

Strategic Allied Consulting voter fraud Florida

I found more, if people are interested.

The stories there can be confirmed other places as well. The allegations discussed in your links are mostly just allegations, and mostly unproven. A few errors here and there, if they exist, don't prove voter fraud, and I find it pretty comical that ACORN would be accusing anyone else of such things. The only case that seems to have merit is the one where a fellow supposedly tossed eight voter registrations. If he actually did so, he should be jailed. As I stated, I don't support fraud from anyone. Allegations of "possible fraud", though, with zero evidence, aren't as big a concern. Florida has been under attack for wanting to purge ineligible people from the rolls, and that, if done accurately, isn't a bad thing. If someone was removed that should not have been, that can be corrected. Unless someone can prove that such a thing happened deliberately, though, that isn't fraud, but carelessness or simple error.

I will state that I have NO issues with showing ID to vote. The lowest income people are probably collecting some form of welfare, and thus must possess ID. Same for elderly people of low income, using Medicare, Social Security, etc. Getting ID these days is not complicated. You can't get a job, go to school, use a bank, rent a movie, board a plane, use a credit card, enter a nightclub, gamble at a casino, drive a car, cash a check, and on and on and on. Having a valid form of identification to vote, to be sure ONLY eligible citizens who registered do vote, is only logical.

Originally posted by Tw0Sides
Obama will Win, and this is why.

After the Treatment Ron Paul was given at the GOP Convention, his supporters will write RP in , or Gary Johnson.

Thats a lot of Votes Romney Threw away.

Dats the Facts, Jack.

Yeah Ron Paul write-ins will just be discarded - the GOP alienated all the young enthusiastic voters they had by blowing him off.

Those same voters are NOT on their way to vote for Romney at the polls on Nov 6th.


ETA: And as was mentioned, the electoral college chooses the president. Just ask George W how much the popular vote matters

As for the bayonets, I am well aware of their use. I happen to be married to a career soldier (Army). I am also aware of what Obama stated, and his comments was(SIC) about "horses and bayonets", comparing those to Navy ships, and implying that ships were as "obsolete" as the bayonets, which are still in use. The man is clueless, and dishonest.

Seriously??!!?? Not this again!

OK, if you insist on being stuck in the fabricated "left vs. right" charade, that is one thing, but that anyone could possibly interpret that phrase as you have is beyond me. (Mind you, you were probably influenced by all those actors payed to play for the "right" at any cost, even if it means manufacturing "facts".) * And yes, both sides do it!

HERE GOES:
What Obama alluded to was this:
The modern soldier is better equipped with 1 heavy-duty assault rifle than 100 bayonets, and would much prefer having 1 heavily armored modern tank than 100 horses on his side!
Go ahead, ask your husband which he would prefer to fight with.
Do you get it now? It was about quality versus quantity.
So yes, there are less ships today than in 1916, but 1 modern battleship could take down 100 steam-powered ironsides in the wink of an eye.

Now do you get what was said?

Seriously, I'm Canadian, so this is much more of a show than anything else to me, and when you get down to it, both the Republican and Democratic candidates and parties seem to be carbon copies of each other from up here. So, if you want to do that whole "left" vs. "right" thing, that is up to you, but please stop purposefully misconstruing statements that have an "oh-so clear" message.

the Billmeister

I must say I'm quite shocked at the amount of voting fraud and the tactics involved in gaining votes full stop.

I mean gun licenses?!?

Its outragegous, they don't even try to hide how bent they are!

i wouldnt be surprised if it gets like pre-ww2 Germany then an open dictatorship

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes

Originally posted by VaterOrlaag
reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

 

My answer to your question is: NO.

And you better be prepared to point out Republican voter intimidation tactics while you're at it. Otherwise, you're a hypocrite.

By all means, show links to actual cases. Not voter ID laws and registered voter verification (as those are clearly needed when we have non-citizens found to be registered), but actual intimidation. I know personally of a case, back in 200 in Florida, where Democratic thugs came into a campaign office and were being physically threatening, even showing, elderly volunteers. I also remember nightly (literally) news stories where Democratic vote counters (during the recounts) were caught trying to toss out ballots, etc. The so-called "confusing butterfly ballot" was so simple my son, in the 1'st grade at the time, said he could see where to vote for whom.

But, as I said, please post any cases you know of, and we can discuss them, too. I don't want fraud on either side.

Here in PA, a Republican state senator blatantly said that requiring voter ID was going to make sure Romney won PA.

If that doesn't convince you that the GOP will stop at nothing to win, nothing will and you're hopeless. The right to vote is enshrined in the Constitution, after all.

reply to post by snarky412

I just can't believe to what extent people will go to get Obummer re-elected.

Because Romney is so much better, eh? Based on the speeches and promises he's been making, I'm one of those people who may as well get hit in the testicles with an aluminum bat if Romney gets elected. At least then he HAS to do something for me.

I thought this thread title was sarcasm. LOL!

Instead I see it's just a weak attempt to stoke conservative outrage based on half of the facts.

FL GOP takes voter suppression to brazen extremes

Voter suppression bills sweep the country

Right wing examples;

The right wing statistically commits the highest incidents of domestic terrorism AND political related crime in the USA.

As I wrote in the Boston Globe 17 months ago, the overwhelming numbers of acts of politically motivated violence in this country are committed by the right wing. If I may quote myself at length:

"The START database on terrorism in America, which tracks all incidents of political violence, shows that most attacks in the last two decades have been on black churches, reproductive rights facilities, government offices, and individual minorities. And those have been committed mainly by right-wing extremists. From 1990 to 2009, START identified 275 "homicide events'' that killed 520 people and were committed by right-wing ideologues. There were many more incidents of destruction of property, nonfatal attacks, and other acts of thuggery by white supremacists, private militias, and the like."

www.huffingtonpost.com...

Right-wing extremist individuals over the past decade in the United States were as likely to use violence as a means to express their political or social beliefs as those motivated by Osama bin Laden's ideology. Even more worryingly, during the same time period, right-wing and left-wing extremist groups and individuals have been far more likely to acquire toxins and to assemble the makings of radiological weapons than al Qaeda sympathizers.

www.cnn.com...

And far as voter fraud/intimidation/suppression goes, here's the right wing 2012


Republican early voter law Ohio

www.cleveland.com...

Tea party group targeting democratic voters and counties in Ohio

www.latimes.com...

Breaking: GOP Caught Red Handed, Election Fraud in Indiana

www.dailykos.com...

From this article alone;
GOP Voter Fraud Accusations Suddenly Blowing Up In Their Faces

1.

In Palm Beach County, Fla., alone, about 100 questionable voter registrations were flagged, more than half of which involved changing a voter’s party affiliation to Republican or independent. Discrepancies were also found in North Carolina.

2.

A few weeks earlier, the GOP had been under fire following reports of suspicious registration applications that had been submitted in 10 Florida counties by a company run by Nathan Sproul, a Republican operative who has long been trailed by allegations of voter fraud. The Republican Party paid Sproul's company, Strategic Allied Consulting, about $3 million this year for registration drives in five swing states: Colorado, Florida, North Carolina, Nevada, and Virginia.

3.

And a viral video uploaded to YouTube in late September showed a young woman who worked for Strategic Allied Consulting registering voters in Colorado and admitting that she was only looking for Republicans. "Well, I'm actually trying to register people for a particular party. Because we're out here in support of Romney, actually," the woman said.

4.

The latest drama began to unfold on Oct. 17, when the manager of a Tuesday Morning discount store in Virginia's Shenandoah Valley saw a man throwing a garbage bag into the store's private dumpster. Inside the bag was a file folder containing eight completed Virginia voter registration forms.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

And that's just going off what I can remember so far

Originally posted by LeoStarchild
When democraps do it..Drone - "Meh ..both sides do it"
When Republicans do it.. Drone - "Hang them racist bigots"

No. Most leftists are against the death penalty.

reply to post by LadyGreenEyes


Voter ID laws are pushed by republicans because they know it mainly affects the democrats ability to vote. If republicans cared about democracy and the USA they would make state certified free voter IDs. That way it is not making one pay to vote.

Does anyone remember how Romney 'won' the primaries?
It was blatant and shameless. That's not sour grapes on Ron Paul's behalf, that's just how it went.
Makes you wonder doesn't it, why all the cheating and dirty tactics against the guy everyone claimed 'can't win'?
What can we expect against the guy who actually 'can win'?
And yes, I think both sides are guilty of it.
The question I have about the electoral college is this- with all the corruption on both sides, why would anyone think they can't/won't just buy off those 300 or so people, when they spend millions, billions maybe, trying to influence the 300+ million people whose votes don't actually count? (not that all those ppl actually vote)
Seriously?

reply to post by LadyGreenEyes


I have a little bit of the same problem sometimes where I don't know my left from my right.
It's funny. Something so simple but I can see how you would make a mistake and mess up.

If it isn't an honest mistake where you simply can't tell your left from your right I have to chalk it up to another attempt at that 180% spin the GOP is so good at. Take an issue or a phrase they are responsible for and stories you see about them in the paper everyday and then make it your own.

This was done with the phrase trickle down economics. To confuse people they coined trickle down government to try and fool people into mixing the concepts up and forgetting what they are for or against. Another phrase bastardized was the one made by the crazy guy who claimed something about legitimate rape. In attack ads against his opponent they used the word legitimate to describe her (his opponent) repeatedly figuring if you repeat the lie enough times eventually it will stick. For every accusation you make above I can find the GOP related story that goes along with it. Want to see?

Originally posted by curiouscanadian777
Does anyone remember how Romney 'won' the primaries?
It was blatant and shameless. That's not sour grapes on Ron Paul's behalf, that's just how it went.
Makes you wonder doesn't it, why all the cheating and dirty tactics against the guy everyone claimed 'can't win'?
What can we expect against the guy who actually 'can win'?
And yes, I think both sides are guilty of it.
The question I have about the electoral college is this- with all the corruption on both sides, why would anyone think they can't/won't just buy off those 300 or so people, when they spend millions, billions maybe, trying to influence the 300+ million people whose votes don't actually count? (not that all those ppl actually vote)
Seriously?

edit on 26-10-2012 by curiouscanadian777 because: correction

What do you expect from a bunch of lying cheating frauds? I don't know how many times they have to show their true colors before people start to catch on to who they are? They are deceitful and cunning representatives of the Illuminati which I describe as the super rich cabal so powerful and influential it repeatedly "tries" to influence the running of the world (into the ground)