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Forcing People to Pay for The Contraception and Abortion of Women is a Right for Women?

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posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 02:41 PM
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reply to post by ElectricUniverse
 


Hahahaha!!! I have not once tried to get you to choose my view...how ironic...what I have said is YOU don't have the right to take away MY choice...and more than once I have stated I respect your opinion...how unkind of you to attack even the nice posts that differ from your own...you don't want a discussion, you want all to SEE your point...and the only thing people see is your argumentative 5 year old childlike behavior because some disagree that YOU don't have the right to tell WOMEN what we can choose from in the healthcare services...




posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 02:46 PM
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Key word, "it is not paid "DIRECTLY" by the Federal Government...

What do you think that means?...



posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 02:48 PM
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It means this:


EMTALA has led to cost-shifting and higher rates for insured or paying hospital patients, thereby contributing to the high overall rate of medical inflation in the U.S.



posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 02:48 PM
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AGAIN, show me WHERE IN THE WORLD did I post that I want to take away the right of women to choose...

SHOW ME... You want a real insult? Stop laughing like an idiot and PROVE where I wrote what you claim I wrote about me wanting to take away the right of women to choose...



posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by windword

It means this:


EMTALA has led to cost-shifting and higher rates for insured or paying hospital patients, thereby contributing to the high overall rate of medical inflation in the U.S.


That doesn't say how it is paid...

The key part is where it says "it is not paid DIRECTLY by the Federal Government"... It pays it indirectly, just like they are trying to do with the mandate to force employers to pay for abortions and contraceptives hence claiming the federal government is not paying for this directly...

No, instead they are doing it indirectly, by forcing employers to pay for these healthcare plans otherwise they have to pay a fine, and so does every person that does not have a plan which covers abortion/contraceptives for other women...

BTW, this will be effective in 2014 according to the bill...unless they change the date again...


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posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 03:02 PM
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Idiot??????? Resorting to name calling?? How trollish...which is exactly what I think this thread was meant to be...Admittedly and shame faced...I fell for it...ahhh, well...lesson learned...and OP????
how's that irritating ya'????



posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 03:06 PM
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I am going to TRY to say it one more time.

This is not about me wanting to stop women from taking contraceptives, or from having abortions. I disagree with the views of those women, and other people who think it is okay to have abortions... but I am not going to try to stop them from doing so...

HOWEVER, what right do those women, and/or other people have to DEMAND and FORCE me, and millions like me to pay for their contraception, or abortions?

This thread is about FREEDOM of CHOICE.

It is about the right of every man and woman to DECIDE for themselves what they want without being FORCED to do the will of others no matter how good it "sounds"...

Similar excuses have been used, and are being used by criminals, and dictators to lure and capture unsuspecting victims in their web of lies..


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posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 03:08 PM
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So you are patronizing, calling me a child, which btw unless you are from Mars that is an insult, and you want me to treat you better than YOU treat me?...


Respect must come from both ways, not just one. I treat you exactly like you treat me... Nothing less, nothing more...


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posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 03:10 PM
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Okay the topic you delineate has nothing to do with socialism. In Europe you pay for your own contraception and/or abortion.

I do not believe women are entitled to an abortion. If they do not have the money, they can get a credit or something to pay for an abortion.

However contraception, such as condoms, are a public health issue that affects everyone. Now somebody whom makes good money should pay for his own condoms, but I am all for it, for making contraception avaiable to the working poor and the unemployed if they cant afford them. I can think of worse ways to spend tax dollars, such as an increasing national debt, accrued by generations of politicians, whom made debt with the, how much debt can the country sustain instead of how much debt does the country need approach, because they were sponsored by the financial insitutions which suck the economy dry instead of enabling it the way they should.



posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 03:10 PM
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You're not making any sense now. Work on your reading comprehension skills please.


EMTALA has led to cost-shifting and higher rates for insured or paying hospital patients, thereby contributing to the high overall rate of medical inflation in the U.S.


Don't be obtuse, clearly the price of unpaid services provided to the uninsured at hospitals and emergency rooms is past on the you and I, the consumer. Just like we all pay a higher price for shoplifters.

BTW, The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) is a U.S. Act of Congress passed in 1986, and is not new, as in ObamaCare.



posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 03:14 PM
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and I will back up and say you are right...is that what you want to hear??? By the very implication of this thread I have tried to explain that healthcare is a pool...you pay in, you get services...and by your standards, YOU get to choose what I and many women should or should not be able to use for such services...so therefore, yes, you ARE taking away the ability for me to choose...help me see it another way?? (my apologies, for the child remark-I AM trying to see your point, don't you get that??) Yet you REFUSE to see mine or any others point unless it validates your own...



posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 03:14 PM
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I'd argue with you if this was worth discussing, but it's not.



posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 03:18 PM
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People can buy 100 good brand name condoms for $24.95, unless they are beasts, and are on viagra all the time most people don't have sex all 365 days of the year... More commonly peple have sex 2-3 times a week, and a week has 7 days. So yearly all that people have to spend is about $25 U.S. dollars for a whole year of condoms.

I am sure many of these people, if not a great mayority pay also, and a much higher price, for example for their cigarrette, or alcohol, or some other drug addiction.

Almost anyone can save $25 dollars a year, and if they can't there have been charities FROM DONATIONS which give away free condoms to those people who can't really afford condoms.



posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by Merinda
Okay the topic you delineate has nothing to do with socialism. In Europe you pay for your own contraception and/or abortion.
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BTW, most, or all European countries are not socialist... Unless they have completely changed from 10 days ago to today.

You want to know a socialist country around European countries? Look at India.
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posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 03:22 PM
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Of course you don't...


And people think these statements corroborate their arguments...



posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by MonkeyFishFrog
I'm going to point out the obvious and say that it takes two people to make a baby. By denying contraceptives for women or abortions you are saying to women universally the consequences of sex is solely her responsibility.


Women are not being denied contraception. The point here is that it is not reasonable to make others pay for something you should be taking care of yourself. The radical feminists are making it an issue, and the Obama camp is seizing upon the opportunity to use it as a way to garner votes. That is why they put it in their party platform and revolved the DNC convention around it. That woman from Georgetown U, Sandra Fluke, is a radical feminist with socialist connections and a socialist jetsetting boyfriend. Also contraception is part of the depopulation agenda.
Just ask John Holdren. He'd like to sterilize men and women en masse through mass medication of the water supplies. It's in his book.

Here's a link that shows that Planned Parenthood offers free exams and free birth control to those who qualifiy.
www.plannedparenthood.org...

However, Planned Parenthood gets federal funding, which means that taxpayers are essentially paying for abortions and contraception.

Sandra and the Democrat Party are working hard to force Insurance Institutions to cover for free all contraceptives. This is forcing private institutions to pay for something. I think it is in tandem with Obamacare legislation, and the Obama admin even tried to force Catholic Institutions to pay. The whole Sandra Fluke thing was about forcing a religious institution to pay regardless of religious matters. The Obama admin is Marxist in it's ideology and so they think it is just fine to attack religious institutions. That is part of the marxist agenda in general. It fits perfectly with the whole Obama agenda.



posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 03:41 PM
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Electric Universe, I'm with you on this issue. The Democrat Party is using this as a way of garnering women's votes and also to spread socialism. There is also the depopulation agenda, of which the Progressive Party has been party to, pun intended, since the turn of the century when Margaret Sanger and the Rockefellers and the Progressive Party were pushing eugenics and sterilization.

I found an interesting article about her.


In 1960, Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, vowed that she would leave the United States forever if that well-known defender of reactionary conservatism, John F. Kennedy, were ever elected to the presidency. Margaret was a fervent Marxist, a radical feminist, and, despite comical denials posted on Planned Parenthood’s website, a rabid eugenicist. According to her New York Times obituary, dated September 7, 1966, Sanger specifically recommended the practice of birth control to prevent procreation among those of the poor prone to producing heritably ‘subnormal’ children


Simply consider Sanger’s horrific contradictions. For Sanger and her generation of radicals, the success of the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution in Russia largely validated Marx’s promise of a pending new world order. As a proponent of birth control, Sanger certainly sought to remedy specific health threats impacting the lives of poor women, but as a Marxist member of the Women’s Committee for the New York Socialist Party, she certainly anticipated the day when, as predicted, poor workers would rise up, kill off significant numbers of men, women, and children within the American middle class, and then fully seize the nation’s political and productive powers in efforts to establish a communist workers’ utopia. It is indisputable that such was the manifest plan for achieving the expected Marxist future.

archive.frontpagemag.com...
www.freerepublic.com...

Maybe Sandra is the reincarnation of Margaret

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posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 03:44 PM
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I have a compromise.

The institutions that do not want to offer contraception do not have to however I don’t want any federal money going to those institutions.



posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 03:47 PM
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Ok...after walking away for a moment...I am truly TRYING to understand the issue here...if I pay into a system as well as you...what makes your choice of not having the option of BC and abortion any more valid than my wanting the option available??? Please help me understand this point please...no defensiveness or criticism, I am truly trying to "get it" and it is recognized that I let myself get a little riled earlier, and my apology to the OP still stands...(no more laughing, I promise) No one is saying that YOU have to use the option, but how can you believe that the option should not at least be there...condoms break-let's be real here, any number of ways to pregnancy can be obtained even with the BEST responsibility in mind...and please know that though I would NEVER choose such a thing for myself...how can I tell others that it should not be available to them?? The money is pooled, so how EXACTLY is it that YOUR serial numbered bills will pay for such a thing? Think of it this way, YOUR money will go to all the treatments you justify...and MY money will go to the option of availability to others who would choose such a thing as BC or abortion...Yes? BTW, does anyone have any real statistics of exactly how many abortions are performed in the system compared to all other procedures in the healthcare field?? Seriously, I am curious to the math of the situation at hand...and once again, though we may not agree, it is never my intent to make an enemy...life is truly too short for that Electric...and I AM sorry...



posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by Grimpachi
I have a compromise.

The institutions that do not want to offer contraception do not have to however I don’t want any federal money going to those institutions.


But it's ok for federal dollars to go to Institutions which provide abortion services?




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