Nanny Accused of Stabbing Dead 2 New York City Children

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posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 06:02 PM
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Nanny Accused of Stabbing Dead 2 New York City Children

Police have arrested a nanny accused of killing two small children in a luxury apartment building on Manhattan's affluent Upper West Side.

The children's mother came home to find the nanny wielding a knife and her two children, aged 3 and 5, dead in a bathtub, police said.

The nanny had also stabbed herself, police said.

The victims were all taken to a nearby hospital as police cars stayed at the scene stopping traffic at rush hour.

The mother arrived home around 5:30 p.m. to discover the nanny with the knife still in her hand, police said. After 911 calls, police and ambulances quickly responded to the building called La Rochelle, according to WABC-TV in New York.



I can hardly think of a worse crime than this one.


Terrible, terrible news...

The thought of losing your children to someone you trust is simply unimaginable.

What a nightmare.

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posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 06:29 PM
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I'm inclined to agree with those who believe that demonic forces are increasing now for some reason. Every day there are mass shootings. In the past month 2 young girls have been murdered by teenage boys. Now this. It makes no sense.



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 07:11 PM
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How awful
This is so sad, seems people are getting more evil



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 11:29 PM
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Being honest here. If I came home to that the nanny would have been dead, not from her own stab wounds but from my stab wounds not to mention blunt force trauma.


Losing a child hurts. Coming home and seeing that can cause a person to break. Law or not she would be dead.

Raist



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 11:31 PM
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This story seems very very fishy as reported by the news. Something is just not right here as "Monk" might say. It doesn't add up. According to an article at the nydaily news a neighbor claimed he heard another witness say:

“He’s also screaming at the top of his lungs,” the neighbor said. “He said, ‘The kids are dead! The kids are dead! And the nanny has something sticking out of her throat!

The nanny had something "sticking out of here throat"!!!??? A knife??? Who in the heck stabs themselves in the throat in the first place, and in the second place why exactly would the nanny be the first to be suspected???

And after reading the comments at the Daily News website how in the world can so many people miss this and not even ONE commenter that I read seemed to notice? Bizarre!!! Wouldn't the First thing to be suspected be that someone else stabbed all three???(and by the way why does the TV footage say 4???)

Read more: www.nydailynews.com...



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 11:41 PM
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Originally posted by Tecumte
This story seems very very fishy as reported by the news. Something is just not right here as "Monk" might say. It doesn't add up. According to an article at the nydaily news a neighbor claimed he heard another witness say:

“He’s also screaming at the top of his lungs,” the neighbor said. “He said, ‘The kids are dead! The kids are dead! And the nanny has something sticking out of her throat!

The nanny had something "sticking out of here throat"!!!??? A knife??? Who in the heck stabs themselves in the throat in the first place, and in the second place why exactly would the nanny be the first to be suspected???

And after reading the comments at the Daily News website how in the world can so many people miss this and not even ONE commenter that I read seemed to notice? Bizarre!!! Wouldn't the First thing to be suspected be that someone else stabbed all three???(and by the way why does the TV footage say 4???)

Read more: www.nydailynews.com...


That makes more sense that someone stabbed all 3... These investigators are about as sharp as marbles...



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 11:58 PM
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Absolutely dayve, except I might add, I'd give an edge to the marbles. I just hope the fine FBI folks that monitor the social media sites like ATS are really a bit more astute than this.

And as sad as this story is, the thing that also concerns me about this is that of all the commenters at nydailynews, NOBODY seemed to even be asking the most logical questions!!! Is this really an indication of just how dumbed down and gullible the flock has become??? They turned it into a discussion on 'illegals' (hmmmmm) and screening etc., geeez people, as horrible as this story is, I'm thinking the "Zombie Apocolypse" is already in full swing and they are now commenters on places like nydailynews!!!

The nanny stabbed herself in the throat ??? and was still 'clutching the knife??? didn't drop it??? (as the OP news source said)..... pleeeeeeease........ something is very very wrong about this reported story!!!



posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 02:45 AM
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Mental illness can cause a person to do a lot of things. It it very plausible that someone who snaps would stab their own throat and still hold the knife.

Either way coming home to such a sight I would fly off and destroy who ever was responsible.


Raist



posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 03:18 AM
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Originally posted by Tecumte
This story seems very very fishy as reported by the news. Something is just not right here as "Monk" might say. It doesn't add up. According to an article at the nydaily news a neighbor claimed he heard another witness say:

“He’s also screaming at the top of his lungs,” the neighbor said. “He said, ‘The kids are dead! The kids are dead! And the nanny has something sticking out of her throat!

The nanny had something "sticking out of here throat"!!!??? A knife??? Who in the heck stabs themselves in the throat in the first place, and in the second place why exactly would the nanny be the first to be suspected???

And after reading the comments at the Daily News website how in the world can so many people miss this and not even ONE commenter that I read seemed to notice? Bizarre!!! Wouldn't the First thing to be suspected be that someone else stabbed all three???(and by the way why does the TV footage say 4???)

Read more: www.nydailynews.com...

Yeah..and if some had their way, the only witness is killed on the spot, with blunt force trauma. It's nice to feel immune to anything we can't conceive of, such as mkultra or other demonic forces, but that doesn't mean we kill everything in sight when there's a catastrophe, such as this one. So many oddball, insane events...face eating, scando twins (that is a weird one and highly suspect as techfsm).

All we can say is it's in the news. The news never lies.

I remember how I had to shutter my sense of lower awareness/consciousness, upon first learning that Mrs. Beth Holloway was dating the father of Patsy Ramsey. I just couldn't enjoy certain pleasures after hearing of the union. Like some strange...deal...had been cut amongst the adults in the room..and it's below the floorboards, so to speak, as far as the real 'nature' of the ceremony.

Money can and does buy tons of influence. Who really knows just what happened...and the mkultra hallmark....that of making absolutely no sense....hmmm.

OP...is your title already being amended at the link as to make your thread very misleading?

In the story, at this moment, the nanny has NOT been charged, and the title of the linked story is materially different than yours. Please respond, because in cases that are being covered up, much of what we have to go on can only be reverse detected by seeing how the media alter their versions, as commanded at Money and Power Central.

Current title: New York Mom Finds 2 Kids Stabbed Dead in Bathtub, Nanny With Apparently Self-Inflicted Wound

Your thread title: Nanny Accused of Stabbing Dead 2 New York City Children

Big difference. Screen shots, just in case. Quite possibly, the nanny will not make it through 'surgery', and the case ends. From the wording, I think that's what we're supposed to fall for. Good thing no superheros were at the scene to kill off the only witness.

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posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 03:59 AM
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Originally posted by Raist
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Mental illness can cause a person to do a lot of things. It it very plausible that someone who snaps would stab their own throat and still hold the knife.

Either way coming home to such a sight I would fly off and destroy who ever was responsible.


Raist


Mental illness can also cause a burglar to kill everyone in sight, and then flee. It can make a parent into a slaughter wheelhouse, which might change course on a lucid whim, and look for a scapegoat to cover, at any cost. It can cause short circuits in logic, by leading an entire country to 'destroy whoever was responsible,' and an innocent nation or three, simply because the circuits are too weak to resist getting to the truth, rather than taking the least path of resistance, and seizing the crisis to further an agenda of a powerful, invisible master.

You would have become crazy-violent, you've said so twice, good for you. Except...what if the person responsible was at a local pawn shop? Or on the phone with a mistress, and business associates, transferring funds for freedom's alibi? Maybe they were counting on you to finish the job someone else started but didn't succeed at? I'm surprised the cops didn't shoot the nanny. Maybe they're hiring.

The guy on the tape sounds like he's hedging...knowing he has to give some fine future song and dance, depending on who says what, and for how much.

All those reporters, and no one says 'where's dad?'. 'What does dad do?' In all likelihood, the children do have a father. Just by the reporting, I know this story is worth monitoring.

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posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 04:37 AM
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The father of the children is Kevin Krim, an executive with CNBC, several officials familiar with the investigation said.



www.cnn.com...



posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 04:57 AM
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Okie dokie. Dad handles digital things for CNBC, worked at Bloomberg prior to this. I guarantee that he had nothing to do with anything. A Well Respected Man. Also, he was on an airplane at the time of the murders, which happened on the 2nd story of the 11K/month flat. So, no where near the crime scene was he. whew.

www.talkforumnyc.com...

The story (NY times link supplied earlier) firmly calls the nanny the attacker. Everyone says this is their worst nightmare~that a nanny would malfunction at their task, so we're in pretty different territory than we were with the earlier reporting. Comments will doubtless fall in line.

Really odd that a voice was projected to have screamed 'you slit his throat'. The murdered son was 2. The murdered girl was 6. No saying what sort of voice this was described as being, or belonging to. That says something, by absence.

The nanny is from the Dominican Republic, and she hosted the Krim family on a trip just recently. They got on fabulously, posting pics and everything.

Given the stats, I think we should pray for the nanny...to recover from surgery. Or maybe watch a glenn close classic.

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posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 07:42 AM
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Let us hope the nanny has very very high security in the hospital and has round the clock protection, just in case she really was a victim and not an assailant. At this point I feel this is probably the most likely scenario considering the circumstances as given by media details, but best to not jump to conclusions in any direction just yet.

Again though amazing how the parrot media echoed and seemed to imply IMO her guilt, when I first read the news headlines rather than leaving the question totally open as to what actually happened. Too, I tried to log in at nydaily news to post a comment and it wouldn't even allow me to register, it *almost* seemed like all the comments there were 'scripted' as well. Weird.



posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 11:22 AM
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In the NY times story, released last night, the media made no bones about the nanny being the attacker. 'Dastardly act', 'deranged killer' etc.... Just amazing. I haven't looked yet, this AM, at how the story is being sculpted.

I guess we just have to hold our tongue, at this point. Where adults are concerned, high roller adults, well...anything is possible. It sounds as if Mom loved, and even posted, all the little quirks the kids had. This is so sad. I can see nearly any scenario being the true story at this point. Any-thing. I am leaning toward someone in the union having become somehow disenfranchised with the way fulfillment, love, and life were shaping up, but that's just a hunch.

'Time outside of jail', as the lesser villain explained to Kirk Douglas. 'Can't beat that with a stick'.

Dad was on a plane...but there was no question or mention about him in the 1st story I read, from the OP. Makes me wonder.

ETA: That the thread is not showing up on the 'recent posts' page also gives me cause for concern.
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posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 11:32 AM
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Could these be connected?
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 05:44 PM
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Correction to my above post.

In the film 'A Perfect Murder'~Kirk Douglas was not cast in the film.

Viggo Mortensen is hired to hit Gwynth Paltrow, at Michael Douglas's behest.

Viggo then counsels Michael, during the uncomfortable aftermath of the botched hit, which puts Mike's sterling rep in peril, about how 'time outside of jail' ought to be enough for him to just forget about any further actions/revenge.

I don't remember how the movie ends, naturally.

I think the wife who was nearly killed starts to unravel the truth.

Mike's great at these roles, a real natural. Also see 'Fatal Attraction'.



posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 07:30 PM
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Ok, I'm thinking a little more about this. At this point I still think the nanny would be towards the bottom of my list of possible culprits, but again still best at this point to leave this open. I hope since she is a material witness that all efforts are being used to keep her alive.

One thing did stand out though and seemed very glaring to me. In the latest Daily News piece (and wow what a rewrite now existing at the link I posted) two claims were made that I thought were interesting:

1- Blood was allegedly found in the kitchen.

2- The nanny was found in the bathroon next to the children. (If I have this right)

Now I'm trying to think of why this might be. While about anything *might* be possible , I have to ask what is really a likely scenario? What order of events might be likely?

The latest draft of the Daily News piece suggests the *attack* might have started in the kitchen. I find this odd-- Is someone suggesting the nanny might have attacked the children in the kitchen and then took them to the bathroom afterward for a bath??? Possible, but seems unlikely to me.

Or perhaps the nanny stabbed the children in the bathroom, then went to the kitchen and maybe got a bite to eat, then went back to the bathroom and stabbed herself in the throat and fell next to the children??? Again that seems very unlikely to me.

And again what was 'sticking out of the nanny's throat' as reported by a bystander/witness? Was this the knife and might this indicate the nanny was attacked from behind???

The thought did occur to me maybe the police know there was an outside attacker and want to keep it under wraps so as to allow any potential assailant to think they are in the clear and that they suspect the nanny, while they conduct an investigation. Again this story still doesn't seem to add up to me.

And I noticed the original TV news footage screen shown in the first draft of the DN piece, that said 4 dead, is no longer there.



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posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 07:44 PM
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My spouse heard or read that the mother now says she saw the nanny stab herself. Getting stranger by the minute.

I think this was a murder to send a message to the media, since her husband manages CNBC digital media, don't print things that we don't like. See my above post if youj are not aware of the other CNBC story running today.

I hate to be talking about this, this way, since children have died, I am sorry in that.



posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 08:11 PM
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It's hard to find links that allow comments. I read several accounts of the crime scene. By one account, the voice reported by a tenant saying 'you slit his throat' has been changed to 'you slit her throat'. That, and the kitchen blood evidence have emerged as differing from the original drafts. And, as just pointed out in the above post, the mother saw the nanny stabbing herself. O-kay.

At first I thought it's odd that the mother would go to the door man rather than to turn on the lights.

But...it sounds like she made a good choice. Did she have reason to fear for her well being?

What can we say? Nothing really.

But the Ray Kelly announcement, early on, had no mention of the father, by reporters.

There's nothing worse, for some, than to have all the trappings of wealth and prestige, and then to find that it is as hollow as a empty, crushing shell. Most of us will never get very philosophic about our life, because there is no time to think about anything except keeping your head above water, like the theme music from 'Good Times'. This is a carefully crafted artificial state of being we are all too familiar with. Indeed, freedom of thought would lay many a brain to waste.

I see how readily the nanny is served up as the culprit. No one's pulling any punches on her behalf.

Mom comes home. Mom doesn't go inside. Why? It's her place.

Lights out=killer indoors, waiting to finish botched job?

Is this a fear many of us have? I wonder about the veranda. Were there windows open?

I guess now is the time when the parents will seek peace, in solitude, together, so they can put their life back together, as best as possible. But I can assure you that someone is being watched closely, very closely.

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posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 08:18 PM
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Originally posted by SunnyDee
My spouse heard or read that the mother now says she saw the nanny stab herself. Getting stranger by the minute.

I think this was a murder to send a message to the media, since her husband manages CNBC digital media, don't print things that we don't like. See my above post if youj are not aware of the other CNBC story running today.

I hate to be talking about this, this way, since children have died, I am sorry in that.


You are correct SunnyDee the police say they now believe the nanny started stabbing herself just as mom entered the bathroom, based on what the mother must have told them. That is TRULY bizarre, and I don't mean to be callous or insensitive but I find that hard to believe. Was she just waiting in the dark???Could the bathroom light not be seen by mom when she made the first visit??? This story seems to change over and over based on..... well I don't know.

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