Militia Rising - Discovery does for militia what NatGeo did for preppers

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posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 03:31 PM
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I am proponent of the militia movement. I believe it is in the best interest of individuals and the community for people get together to develop and practice the skills for defense, rescue and recovery, especially considering the times we are living in and that may exist on the near horizon.

So when I learned, at the last minute, of the program on Discover called Militia Rising, I was curious as to what face would be presented on this topic. I figured it would be something along the lines of NatGeo's Doomsday Preppers, and would showcase militia groups around the country and you would get mostly entertainment value, but also see some good examples. Unfortunately, it is not a series, but a one hour documentary and it didn't even show the better groups or qualities of militias.

The program covered three groups: an Arizona border group focused on monitoring the US-Mexico border for illegals, a Florida group focused on natural disasters, and an Indiana group. (spoilers ahead)

The first group seemed to be the most competent and best equipped, but were a little too over-the-top and seemed like a bad offshoot of the minutemen. It showed the group meeting two new recruits at a gas station and pulling up in full gear like a swat raid. They placed bags over the new guys heads and proceeded to an undisclosed location in the border desert. They claim it was for their protection because Mexican cartels have bounties on the members, but it seemed excessive and a bit scary. I wouldn't trust a group that did things like that. They then ran patrols in formation eventually discovering two potential illegals.

The second group in Florida seemed to have their heart in the right place, but they did not appear very competent in their plans or operation despite having a couple of military veterans in the group. They come off as a group of Rambo wannabe's. They practice some shooting skills in a group and are yelling and degrading those without the skills dishing out punishment push-up quotas. The behavior and basic training role-playing they seemed to be doing here was completely unnecessary for volunteer militia. They then go on to run an evaluation of some members in a scenario they expect may happen, in which they have to swoop into their members families homes for extraction, presumably under hostile force. They did this with actual families with small children. The swarmed onto the property and came out with weapons securing the outer areas, then going into the home and in full gear with weapons drawn, searched and secured the home of women and children and preceded to load them into the vehicle for a speedy escape. I personally think that such training with children is unacceptable, and the situation itself is extremely unlikely. Their planning and training should be directed to more realistic scenarios.

The last group was the most laughable. The Indiana group was run by one unhealthy large man and seemed to consist of older or unfit characters. They seemed to have stores of food and other preps for a disaster for their group, but they seemed to be in an outdoor shed that isn't climate controlled, but I may be wrong on that account. The group struggled for nearly an hour to erect some basic tent/tarp sleeping accommodations for the small group. Once they managed to do that, the top two leaders decided to lead a surprise two-man assault on the group. It was an embarrassing attack that resulted in the large leader's butt rolling down a small hill.

When I learned that the program was not going to include the Michigan Militia, I knew it was going to be incomplete and come off with some major slant. Virtually all of the competent militia groups around the US do a lot of community improvement projects and their training groups are family friendly and the members don't come off as Rambo wannabe's or guys on power trips who need to be in a position of authority. I tend to think that if the better groups were approached, they probably had the intelligence to expect some slant, especially after the Doomsday Prepper's program.

The program was a major but not surprising disappointment for me. The groups presented would better fit the category of club instead of militia.



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posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 03:43 PM
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I can't watch the video, but from you description, when you listed the groups, my first thought was why wouldn't they show a group from MI?
Sounds like I won't be missing anything by not watching this. It also sounds like they intentionally made them look bad.
Too bad really.



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 03:51 PM
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How many Preppers had Federal Agents come after the film crews left and show their appreciation in the way only law enforcement and government can? It blows me away that anyone would appear on a show like this again by choice.

I know Missouri Militia members and they strike me as a fairly good group to what we have in this area. No group is perfect and they have their ...issues..but they work WITH Law Enforcement, not against them and it's about being a contributing resource of the community....not a enemy in waiting to dominate it.

The kooks in that first group are the stereo-typical nut jobs that everyone THINKS of when Militia comes to mind. Boo on Discovery for reinforcing the stereo-types of Rambos, morons and military rejects looking to play warrior.
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posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 03:57 PM
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It's groups like these are the reason why I would prefer to remain on my own when TSHTF. Rambo wannabe's will get you killed.



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 04:26 PM
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It is a real shame that 'educational' stations like Discover and NatGeo don't utilize the opportunity to show people how prepping and militias can be beneficial.

I truly believe that if one of these stations were to do a documentary on the Boy Scouts, they would focus on pedophilia and a belief in God instead of the skills, personal development and camaraderie.



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 05:55 PM
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Its important to retain rights for FINAL approval in the contract before allowing any one to film your group. They might seem like they have good intentions, but if your group doesn't have the final approval they can edit it to give any message they want to portray. Couldn't be as bad as Revolution portays them.

But yeah, any group that throws bags over peoples heads as part of their training is one to stay away from. Also if someone yelled at me like that and barked orders I would be demanding pay.

In any case, it looks like this premiered yesterday, but I checked my listings and couldnt find anything.
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posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 08:29 PM
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If I knew nothing about the militia and watched that program, I would think they were dangerous nuts or, at best, childish dimwits.

The program aired twice yesterday. I had hoped it was going to be a series, but seeing how they spun it, I am glad it was just a one time show.

I miss the days when a channel focused on a niche. MTV played music videos, TLC/Discovery were educational, etc. Now, everything is some degree of entertainment 'reality' or politically biased propaganda, all broken up by 5 minute blocks of commercials.



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 11:56 PM
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From the 2 minute trailer I saw, the guy screaming in the ears of one who is trying to learn how to shoot effectively should not have any sort of leadership position.

It is one thing when an already biased TV network picks up the story, but it is another when the leadership in that group demeans his voluntary force like that, he has no business doing that and if not casted out all together he should not be given any type of leadership role.

The militia also does not go around rescuing infants. (because rescuing them essentially requires caring for them, which the militia can not do effectively, however there are scenarios where they might ) the scenario in the film is somewhat proposterous.

There are enough issues with infighting as it is, people like the one in the trailer do more harm than good and only aggravate the problem.
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posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 06:25 AM
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You know, this is a very good cover story if you want unlimited access to index inventory, manpower, locations etc.

Just saying.







posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 07:46 AM
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First you never call your group a Militia or a survivalist group.
Two you never allow a outsider to film members of your group.

If i had been a member of any of the three groups i would have quit right there.
But then again i would never joined a group that labeled themselves as a Militia or a survivalist group.

I give it a year and at least one of the groups will have members arrested by a government agency.
That is after the government places a undercover agent in the groups or turns one of the members on bogus charges.

And yes i am a member of a group that is a "military reenactment" group.



posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 08:25 AM
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I'd really wonder just what your militia group or.. sorry.. reenactment group is actually doing? The Militia organizations I've had contact with at any level in Missouri work WITH the local Sheriff's Departments as a matter of course. Missing child in the woods? Guess who is one of the first phone calls made? The Militia members are the hunters and outdoorsmen who would know the area best and train to work as a group. Simple thinking and no one is huddled away, conspiring about things Law Enforcement would have any interest in anyway.

Of course... this is a state where you can buy an M-60 Machine gun (with the proper permit and tax stamp of course) and a Silencer for your handgun just because you feel like you want one. That does make things a bit different I suppose. We don't have near the climate of Law Enforcement 'On the Hunt' and looking for any possible reason to add grief to people's lives.



posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 01:56 PM
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Its worded pretty clearly in the second amendment. It is not against the law, in fact it is your right and duty as an able bodied American citizen. So why feel the need to hide from a right that is guaranteed for you in the constitution? Does this group have an interest in preserving the Constitution? Is it a civil war reenactment group?

There are also militia groups that have no interest in serving to protect the constitution. I would be more weary of a group that does not make their intentions clear, then one that does. And as long as you dont engage in any illegal activities or conspire to, there is no legal justification for the FEDS to target you as an individual.

Also, your user name also reads oath keeper and oath keepers are classified as an active patriot group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. In the list right next to all the known militias.. So much for that argument huh?

Again, if you are not doing anything wrong, then why act like you have something to hide?

splcenter.org...
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posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 01:58 PM
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Now they should just stop going to mcdonalds and lose some weight.



posted on Oct, 28 2012 @ 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by Jauk3
Now they should just stop going to mcdonalds and lose some weight.


+1. Well put. Militias in my area (North Idaho) are a joke. A bunch of dorks with no military experience who enjoy playing soldier. It would be one thing if they were training in disaster relief, search and rescue, or anything else of public value along with defense. But no. Instead, they just get together for target practice. Maybe throw in a little basic first aid here and there.



posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 11:56 PM
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Originally posted by Wolf321
It is a real shame that 'educational' stations like Discover and NatGeo don't utilize the opportunity to show people how prepping and militias can be beneficial.

I truly believe that if one of these stations were to do a documentary on the Boy Scouts, they would focus on pedophilia and a belief in God instead of the skills, personal development and camaraderie.


No prepper or militia unit worth their salt would agree to be on a TV show like that so the pickens were probably pretty slim to begin with and you know they are going to slant it. Doomsday Preppers was not as bad as I thought it would be.



posted on Nov, 1 2012 @ 12:02 AM
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Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by ANNED
 


Its worded pretty clearly in the second amendment. It is not against the law, in fact it is your right and duty as an able bodied American citizen. So why feel the need to hide from a right that is guaranteed for you in the constitution? Does this group have an interest in preserving the Constitution? Is it a civil war reenactment group?

There are also militia groups that have no interest in serving to protect the constitution. I would be more weary of a group that does not make their intentions clear, then one that does. And as long as you dont engage in any illegal activities or conspire to, there is no legal justification for the FEDS to target you as an individual.

Also, your user name also reads oath keeper and oath keepers are classified as an active patriot group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. In the list right next to all the known militias.. So much for that argument huh?

Again, if you are not doing anything wrong, then why act like you have something to hide?

splcenter.org...
edit on 26-10-2012 by thehoneycomb because: (no reason given)


You won't mind then if we come search your house then just to make sure you aren't doing anything illegal then right... Sigh.

SPLC is a joke and socialist rabid anti-patriot org probably CIA run or backed... Take anything they say with a huge block of salt. They probably have Ron Paul supporters listed too...





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