Where are we now?

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No appearance, no you, and no me.
The knowing of form
and the forming the knowing
The mirror reflecting and the mirror receiving
nothing is in the mirror or nothing outside of it

Deception is the way we have been conditioned to think.

Everything we think we know,think we are,was put there by someone else.

Anyone who teaches you,whether they know it or not,decieves you.

We percieve the way we are conditioned to perceive.

We percieve the way we are conditioned to deceive.

You must take what has been taught you,and go on by yourself from there.

The more I learn,the less I know.

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There is Freedom in Nothing because the mirror contained absolutely nothing at all.

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What are soul mates?

reply to post by AthlonSavage


When you have discovered that you are nothing, not just read about it but actually know it, you will know peace.
It matters not what happens.

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Are soul mates a deception of believing?

Originally posted by AthlonSavage
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What are soul mates?

Because you are still seaching you do not know that you are the one. You look outside yourself to complete you. Until the search ends you will feel incomplete.

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so what is man and woman, what do they do with eachother?

Originally posted by AthlonSavage
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Are soul mates a deception of believing?

The belief in 'other', the belief in 'else' is what causes the feeling of separation. You believe there is something outside of yourself that can make the pain go away.
It is the deception.
There is no 'other'.

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If there no longer is the separation and only nothing, then
what does man and woman, do with eachother?

Originally posted by AthlonSavage
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If there no longer is the separation and only nothing, then
what does man and woman, do with eachother?

There never is separation. But words like 'woman' and words like 'man' seem to separate what is real into two things.
Experience is all.
This experience is all that is occuring. This one. This one right here and right now. It is one.
Experience is made of knowing the present happening. It is the direct experience prior to words. Words try to capture and describe what is happening but the words divide the experience into a 'you' and a 'not you'.

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I understand in the now of the moment you and i will be the same experience if we are nothing, empty and receptive mirrors to what ever is.

Originally posted by AthlonSavage
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I understand in the now of the moment you and i will be the same experience if we are nothing, empty and receptive mirrors to what ever is.

This moment is not a thing, it is nothing. You are not a thing, you are nothing.
There is just nothing. Or 'darkness' as the Tao Te Ching suggests.

A 'thing' is a particular. A particular (a thing) is made out of the nothing, which is whole and complete. A 'thing' is just a label. Because you were labelled a name, you believe you are separate from the whole. And in turn you label and name and use words which manufacture an unreal world.

This is whole and complete and always has been, it does not need making. The complete wholeness cannot ever be separated.

Tao Te Ching
Written by Lao-tzu
From a translation by S. Mitchell
Chapter One.

The tao that can be told
is not the eternal Tao
The name that can be named
is not the eternal Name.

The unnamable is the eternally real.
Naming is the origin
of all particular things.

Free from desire, you realize the mystery.
Caught in desire, you see only the manifestations.

Yet mystery and manifestations
arise from the same source.
This source is called darkness.

Darkness within darkness.
The gateway to all understanding.

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Is this Tao saying to become nothing i have to relinqusih all my desires, for example can a man and woman do the wild thing togther and stay in the now? or is that a desire that needs to be eliminated?

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Whatever is happening is the Tao. But humans name events and things like the 'wild thing' or 'sex' or 'a woman' and then hunt for the 'thing' that they desire.
Whatever is happening is the tao, whatever is happening presently is it.

But humans frame a particular 'sex' as what they desire and are unsatisfied with what is happening because they are focusing on something that is not happening - 'sex'.
Humans want what they don't have so in effect don't appreicate 'tao' (now) because they have a thing in mind (sex).

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This confused me a bit...are u saying Tao see thes act of the wild thing...as the just that the act. it doesnt matter if its man woman...or woman woman or whatever its just the act? Is this the definition of open relationships?

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This is Tao.
There is no you or me or anything else.
Tao is this. This what appears to be happening is Tao.
This is nothing moving, nothing happening.

The nothing appearing appears as words and the words seem to be dividing the whole into parts. There are no parts just words, if words are believed desire is born and with it fear.

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What i am trying to discern from this is what is the appropriate way i should conduct myself iaw proper following the Tao

Should I have (A) no wild thing partners (B) open Wild thing partners ( C) or just one wildthing partner. Does the Tao give any guidance of morality here, or am i just doing what ever A, B or C i feel like at the moment?

Originally posted by AthlonSavage
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What i am trying to discern from this is what is the appropriate way i should conduct myself iaw proper following the Tao

Should I have (A) no wild thing partners (B) open Wild thing partners ( C) or just one wildthing partner. Does the Tao give any guidance of morality here, or am i just doing what ever A, B or C i feel like at the moment?

You are seeking the right way? You are seeking to do life right?
Because you are seeking it will hurt either way. You believe you can do it wrong so you are lost.
Only when you realize there is no you who can do it right or wrong will the Tao be known.

The Tao cannot be followed.

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To reach Tao means no more desires, and once know more desires there is no desire to do any of A B or C. This is correct isnt it?