Originally posted by illuminnaughty
I think that these rich schools and colleges like Eton ect. Where the wags/fags thing is practiced, is partly to blame.
Not so sure about this. I didn't go to a "rich school and college", but rather a grammar school during the late 1970s and 1980s. A day school
obviously, single-sex and we did have a 'fag' system (as well as masters in black gowns, Latin, Classical Studies, played rugby, had to carry a school
bible, mandatory Cadet force &c.) but I'm not really sure what the fag system has to do with anything, to be honest.
Yes, it's bizarre, antiquated and legitimises fairly intense bullying behaviour but I'm not sure how it leads to paedophilia. Angry, repressed young
men - certainly. Paedophiles? No. Fagging was basically about younger kids having to climb the school fences and run errands to nearby shop, being
'tapped-up' for change or carrying school bags. Maybe occasionally being human punch bags &c. Basically, the kind of bullying that can be found in
practically any school of any kind. Nothing along the lines of young kid's arses being used for a toast rack in the common room or anything like
I think what you describe is more a case of a sadistic homosexual abusing their seniority in the school and this being a form of bullying that could
arise practically anywhere. I know of a local secondary school where one of the 5th years forcibly bummed a 1st year sometime in the early 1990s. No
fag system there: no messed-up class hierarchy, no school uniforms, no single sex streaming, no teachers wishing it was still 1870 with the proles
knowing their place in society. Most large institutions (schools, prisons, workplaces &c) have bullying or people abusing their position in some kind
of pecking order. Sadly, it's human nature and happens with or without a fag system.
Single sex boarding schools present specific problems that will allow the abuse you mention to happen. Maybe even single sex schools in general. One
of the 'masters' (also a priest) was defrocked a few years after I left; he had a reputation for staring at lads getting changed after games. I can
imagine that kind of scenario can 'up a gear' in an enclosed enviroment, removed from the outside world, families &c. However, again, that's not a
Certainly, not defending what you speak of though. I'm no defender of grammar schools (they're not the panacea of social mobility often claimed or
even the hotbed of academic achievement others might also claim) and I'd certainly like to see parasitical 'charities' like Eton and the like closed
down, mainly for political/class reasons though.
Sexual abuse, including paedophilia, is committed right across the class structure. It's not limited to people who went to grammar or private schools,
which suggests that these kinds of places don't actually 'create' this kind of problem. I'd hedge a safe bet that young kids were getting molested in
Britain long before any kind of school was set-up and it's not as if all paedophiles have double-barrelled names or any other kind of class signifier.
A lot of them look like they can barely read, never mind pass an entrance exam to a school.
The issue here, and it's an important one, is that whilst this happens right across the class spectrum, the difference is in the ability to cover it
up. Nursery worker who left school with little in the way of exams and scrapes by on minimum wage? No chance of covering it. Still good friends with
old school chums who've now worked their way up to high political office and once had dinner with Prince Charles? Molest away! It won't come out at
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