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Originally posted by Xcalibur254
With December 21 on the horizon I've seen a lot of people claiming the Maya said this or the Maya said that. As I have mentioned previously the Maya only made one reference to 2012. Now there has been a second inscription found but I have yet to find the actual translation. So let's see what exactly the Maya did say about 2012.
It will be completed the thirteenth Bak'tun.
It is 4 Ajaw and 3 K'ank'in
and it will happen a 'seeing'.
It is the display of B'olon-Yokte'
in a great 'investiture'.
As we can see the Maya said nothing about a raise in consciousness or th End of the World. The only thing they said would happen is a religious ceremony dedicated to B'olon-Yokte'.
Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by ImaFungi
It's not just my interpretation. It's the interpretation of most Mayan researchers including Barbara MacLeod and Sven Gronemeyer, who provided this translation of the inscription, and David Stuart and Stephen Houston, who provided an earlier translation that led many to believe this inscription was a prophecy.
What Could Happen in 2012: A Re-Analysis of the 13-Baktun Prophecy on Tortuguero Monument 6
Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by ImaFungi
Except that "Mayan calendar" is Aztec in origin. On top of that researchers aren't even sure if it's a calendar. Then there's also the fact that even if it were a calendar it would have nothing to do with 2012 as the Aztecs did not use the Long Count.
Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by DerepentLEstranger
It's not presumptuous. That's what the Popol Vuh. It makes no mention of potential future creations because the gods were happy with this one. The reason I bring up the Popol Vuh because that is where these stories of multiple creations comes from. So even though the Popol Vuh was contaminated with Christian beliefs, if people are going to make false claims about what it says I'm going to provide the correct information.
Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by ImaFungi
These researchers are experts in interpreting Mayan epigraphy as well as their culture. They know what different symbols mean in context and how those symbols tie to Mayan beliefs. If you had actually bothered to read the article I posted you would see how these researchers came to their interpretation. They compared the symbols used to other places where they're used and what the symbols meant in those situations.
As for my comments on the Aztec sun stone, the reason I brought them up is because this topic is about the Maya and 2012. There was no reason to bring up an Aztec artifact that has no ties to 2012. What's more you made a false statement and since the motto of ATS is Deny Ignorance I saw it as my duty to correct you.
Hopefully when December 21 comes and goes with no major events you will drop the ego and realize that there are people out there that know more than you on a great number of topics.