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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by campanionator
I'll just say that the nature, tone and general intent of people'e posts, when taken over time and looking at many to get a feel for someone, says a great deal about their purpose for being here and their values.
I'm happy to let mine stand on their own and to say what they do about who I am and what I believe in.
I wonder if people might want to at least give a moment's consideration to this from another direction. It was about midway through the thread that I saw a few comments that made me think about this too. To some, the idea of a Child born of rape being a gift simply isn't possible. At least one on here outright says as much.
However.... Has anyone considered that this man might have a relative, friend or other person close that *WAS* born of a rape, long ago, and THIS is how a survivor who DOES live with that reality comes to terms with and makes peace with all that?
I'd agree it must be one heck of a thing to know for those who are ever told in those circumstances. So, is it BAD now to say that all life IS, to those of Faith, somehow an intention of God? What's the alternative, exactly? Telling the people conceived that way that they are worthless or the intention of the OTHER extreme?
Just another way to see things, after the man did state so clearly and aggressively, what his defense was. No wishy washy political weasel in him, and I'd give him that much....
“I think rape is a horrible thing, and I think God would condemn rape as a horrible,” Deeg said. “I think we’re made in the image of God regardless,” he added, “I don’t think the circumstances dictate whether God knows us and loves us, regardless of how our conception comes about.”
Originally posted by MrWendal
Originally posted by Ghost375
No, he clearly says that if a woman gets raped, God intended for that rape to happen.....
You can spin it however you want...but he still said that.
Really? Show me where he says that.
What I read says that God intended for that LIFE to be created. Not for that RAPE to happen. There is a difference.
Originally posted by LiveEquation
Is this belief pervasive among republicans running for office?
Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
.... The title of this thread is disgusting, and does not reflect the article cited, words spoken, or intent. OP should be ashamed of themselves.
Originally posted by strafgod
Reply to post by campanionator
Is it extreme to have faith and believe life is a gift given by god regardless how its conceived? Or.. Is it extreme that he doesn't want rape victims to abort their babies?
I dont know much about this topic other than the twisted interpretation of what this man said, explain what it is that makes him "extreme".
about abortion, if you ask me id say do whatever you want, it doesn't concern me but isn't the baby also a victim of rape? abort the rapist not the victims :p
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I wish the men who say those quotes would understand,
Originally posted by LiveEquation
Another republican just showed how the republicans really view god and women. Is this belief pervasive among republicans running for office?
"I struggled with it myself for a long time, but I came to realize life is that gift from God," Mourdock said. "And I think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen."
In other words if a women gets raped and then gets pregnant, it was the will of God! How long will it take for people to realize that God is not for all the masses?
Originally posted by KhufuKeplerTriangle
Human life has value in adult form too! That is where Repubs really fail.... they kill many adults and claim the kids are valuable...
Originally posted by MrWendal
Originally posted by windword
So what if many people feel the same way? Many people feel mixed races shouldn't marry too. We don't legislate based on feelings or personal religious beliefs.
Again- your talking about legislation and I am not. You can not legislate all the world's problems away. If you could, there would be no such thing as "dead beat Dads". We have more than enough legislation in place that requires the biological father of a child to pay support... yet so much of it still goes unpaid. I posted about an ideology. A concept. A way of thinking. Not legislation.
Originally posted by luciddream
I'm sure if a RAPE TEAM member says pedophilia is okay, i'm sure their supporters would twist to make it seem like he didn't mean that.
That is a horrible thing to say, although kinda lol.
Originally posted by HandyDandy
Has anyone thought about it yet that the whole of Christianity is based on a child that occured from rape?
The Holy Spirit raped Mary to bring forth Jesus.
No wonder fundamentalists condone rape.
edit on 25-10-2012 by HandyDandy because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by kosmicjack
First...I'm so sick of people injecting their opinion of what God wants into our civil liberties.
Second, this is such a made up controversy. I for one don't think this poor hapless guy meant it in that context whatsoever.
I think what he was trying to express is what many spiritual people believe...that if narrow odds are that you get raped and then further narrow odds are that you get pregnant from that, one might reflect on the broader Cosmic implications of that.
Now, I don't expect everyone to think like that nor do I believe that sort of thinking has any place in our legal system or any impact whatsoever on a woman's right to choose the best decision for our bodies and our lives, I'm just saying that - as a pro-life AND pro-choice female, I kind of understand what he was fumbling around to say.
Originally posted by Vitruvius
Good. The free, largely civil exchange of differing ideologies is why I value this site.
That said, here's my take on this line of thought. Ideology informs votes. Votes select legislators. Legislators enact legislation.
The current republican party enforces purity in it's ranks. That's why Richard Mourdock is the republican senate candidate instead of Dick Lugar, who was popular, quite conservative, and had held his seat for quite some time.
A vote for any republican (no matter how moderate your local candidates are trying to seem) is literally a vote to end women's reproductive rights. In order for this situation to change, moderate republicans will have to put real pressure on the party to reject the extremists.