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posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 05:17 AM
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Originally posted by zandrabananza
My main point is that I don't think you can blame government handouts for why this is happening--this would still be happening without government handouts. It happens all over the world. I think that the community in which the kids described by the OP are growing up value lotto tickets/iphones/beer over education, and that this has origins in the community culture, not in government handouts.



This 'community culture' you refer to, would that be the same 'global' culture pushed during tv commercials and product placement or lifestyle programming?.




posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 08:35 AM
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what do you expect from fatherless homes???

and what is your problem with those parents?? i mean how they affect you??



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 08:48 AM
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Originally posted by karen61057
reply to post by coop039
 


While it may be true that some who cheat the system live better on welfare the truth is that they dont live better most of the time. Poor is poor and poor with a handout is still poor. Its not like they can get up and say hey I think I'll go on a weekend trip or buy season passes for the local amusement park. They dont get dressed up and go out to dinner at a nice resturant. They dont get vacations. There is a lot missing from their lives. Basic is basic and most folks today want better than basic.


The sec. 8 people around me eat out ALOT, and are always grilling steaks if not eating out. The have all nice name brand clothes and their kids seem to always have new shoes. Several drive brand new SUV's, and one has a Mercedes S class. The people directly across from me, who have never worked, have an Escalade and have been on vacation twice this year, once to Chicago, and once to Disney land (their kids were bragging to my son about it). If thats poor and basic, sign me up.



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 08:55 AM
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posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 09:03 AM
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I know it gets frustrating seeing parents behave that way, I get frustrated too, but remember why you are in that classroom....it is for the kids, and sure 20 of them might follow in their parents footsteps and recycle the culture of poverty, but 5 of them might pull themselves out of it because in part of people like you. The odds aren't great, but it happens.....progress is so much slower than it should be, but without people like you, there would be no progress at all.

Thanks for what you do smylee.....not just for the kids but for playing your part in trying to make our society a place with one less person stuck in a cycle of poverty. You never know who you are reaching out to, that 6 year old you helped today might be the doctor that cares for you when you are sick....I know it seems like a long shot, but you got to hope in your own small way you are putting out good into the world. I believe you are and thanks for all your hard work, time and caring....those things are never a waste. It may seem like your efforts are wasted right now, but talk to older people who have pulled themselves out of poverty, many will tell you, it was usually a teacher who set them down the right path or influenced them in a positive way.

Brightest blessings,
Mija



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 09:13 AM
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Never mind. I'm not going to get banned because I responded inappropriately to such nonsense.
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posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 11:41 AM
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posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by smyleegrl

Originally posted by spaceg0at

women on welfare should have to take birth control or face debtors prison for weakening the nation.




wanna have a baby?.... get a job


Just one question...what about all the baby daddies?



men can't get pregnant and they aren't in charge of monitoring menstrual cycles..

smart phones and food stamps.. our founding fathers are rolling in their graves



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by smyleegrl
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Never mind. I'm not going to get banned because I responded inappropriately to such nonsense.
edit on 25-10-2012 by smyleegrl because: (no reason given)


You are a wise, wise lady


...I gotta work on that one myself

...but, I'm gettin better at it!



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by karen61057
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The Govt needs to stay out of womens wombs.


I agree. And keep them out of what comes out of them as well, in the form of any benefits.



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 05:45 PM
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Originally posted by spaceg0at

Originally posted by smyleegrl

Originally posted by spaceg0at

women on welfare should have to take birth control or face debtors prison for weakening the nation.




wanna have a baby?.... get a job


Just one question...what about all the baby daddies?



men can't get pregnant and they aren't in charge of monitoring menstrual cycles..

smart phones and food stamps.. our founding fathers are rolling in their graves


But they are in charge of being responsible and not trying to get all of the opportunistic sex that exists. Sex is a mutually shared experience with someone you love, not a video game where the winner is the one with the most points.



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 05:47 PM
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I could easily be convinced to vote for mandatory sterilization that can only be reversed for short period of times when the proper papers are filed for the purpose of approved procreation. Then they can have all the sex they want and we don't have to worry about them making babies just because they're bored.



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 06:05 PM
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I will keep my post to facts. I have lived in 2 large cities in 2 states In the past 4 years. Same story in both. Adults don't want to work due to the unbelievable benifits. Free child care, free health care, free gas/electric, 800-1200/month for food/alcohol/cigs, free college degree and no property taxes or a free apartment. I have heard many people say they couldn't make that much at any job. That is about 30-40k a year. The system is set up for failure...



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by jiggysmb
I will keep my post to facts. I have lived in 2 large cities in 2 states In the past 4 years. Same story in both. Adults don't want to work due to the unbelievable benifits. Free child care, free health care, free gas/electric, 800-1200/month for food/alcohol/cigs, free college degree and no property taxes or a free apartment. I have heard many people say they couldn't make that much at any job. That is about 30-40k a year. The system is set up for failure...


I have a graduate degree and work my butt off. My salary? Same range.

It's so frustrating, how to convey the sense of accomplishment and pride in self that comes thru hard work? How to suggest someone works at a fast food joint for minimum wage when benefits pay more?



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 07:59 PM
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You know why you hate those people? Because you have a job, an education, a mortgage, a car payment, and these people have worked the system and beat you. You don’t hate these people because they have children who can’t read. You hate them because you have to work and they don’t. They figured it out, you didn’t.

You don’t change the way the machine runs by sweeping up the shavings.



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 08:09 PM
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I have to say, I was quite disappointed when I encountered many from that "culture" here on ATS. I had honestly hoped that ATS was above that type of member, but it's a cross-section of society and we have them here just as we have them everywhere else in the world


Just like in "real time" society, they are usually very vocal, very obstinate and very unlearned when you see them in forums.

There really should be a place where we could "vacation" away from them, at least for a day or two...



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 08:36 PM
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You're a pebble on a beach full of them. When the ocean washes over you - do you imagine it washes any different from those a thousand miles away? When the crabs come out of their holes and walk on you - do you imagine they walk on you because it's you? Maybe you're right. Maybe the sun, the universe, and all that matters revolves around you. A pebble on a beach far away where crabs roam.



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 09:28 PM
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TextThere will always be those who WORK the system, but they really are a minority and are NOT the cause of the worlds problems.

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lmao, you sure have never been to my neck of the woods, that's for sure. A big part of the problem around here is that generation after generation have grown up thinking of their inner-most identities as being government dependant in one way or another. Living off of rent vouchers, Section 8, food stamps, WIC, medicaid, welfare, food kitchens, energy assistance, free lunches, obama-phones, and literally dozens of other freebie programs has become an actual lifestyle. Fake "disability" checks and "crazy" checks have just exploded recently around here also. It's gotten to where they think you must be crazy if your not on the dole in one way or another!!
They also trade foodstamps for all kinds of stuff and it's stupid to get married because you will lose a lot of free stuff if you do. Also, keeping up with all the benefit requirements and applications, etc. is time consuming!! It is seriously at least a part-time job by itself. Like I said, It's a lifestyle and understand this: There is a huge Federal and State government bureaucracy whose very existance depends on keeping things just the way they are.



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 10:38 PM
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as a once upon a time single mother who was forced onto Welfare While working a job (for you misogynist ASSWIPES out here) and a no good piece of # abusive Christian chauvinist father who REFUSED to step up to the plate because by golly it was Immaculate conception don't ya know...or else poor poor make dear couldn't Help his Entitled by GOD urges...number one ROOT of problem RIght there and solution,

Don't like Welfare, think you are gawd entitled to SEX under our RAPE PORN culture, Mandatory Vasectomy. Got it...,or CastrTion and I would be More than happy to assist you brothers with your cant help it issues...

Now, onto the rest of issue here,

First, let's debunk the LIES, and there are a LOT of them here. first, those two years of welfare while I had a child AND had cancer mind you, I had to quit my job due to NO CHILDCARE which IS not free, try $300.oo a WEEK has to be paid PRIOR, and That was in the 90s, not only that, CHILDCARE centers do NOT take infants until a couple of months, even then there is Huge wait lists, it's not some easy drop in situation, if MEN ever had to DO any of the child caring themselves, and UNPAID FREE SLAVE DOMESTIC LABOR you male parasites, who BITCH about Welfare, they would understand this, and the dumb female bimbos that
Cheerleader for the PATRIARCHY. That said...for Years prior to that, I WORKED and MY TAX DOLLARS you jerks paid for that Same Welfare many bitch about AS well as for the Military complex, prison complex, banking, corporation Bail outs, ets etc etc. And I've been working since I was 12 years old, started in the fields, food places, temp, and self employed.

I didn't have medical until Nine months along, NO child support Mr Christian fetus Nazis and No support period, lived in my car when it was choice between rent, CHILDCARE to keep job, which was low paying temp jobs as I got further along, because they could DO that, take advantage of a single mother pregnant with cancer woman. I finally wound up in transitional housing, the ONLY abuse of the system I saw, was two women and LOTS of DEAD BEAT MEN...that's right, MEN, NOT MOTHERS, but men. men who would come around the projects looking for a piece of ass to the already beaten down, many with history of rape by fathers, FACT, rape by other men, FACT, abuse, etc., many fleeing domestic violence, which is really Human Rights abuses towards Women, if poor society condones it., women, women with yes Generational low self esteem and mental health issues, yes I saw it...I saw Latino Machismo families where MEN have Catholic have those babies bitch mentality whole sperm donor may work may not...and HE is entitled to the good life, the car, the house, beer, steaks, and sends HER out with her ten kids SHE has little choice in, due to her already Subjugated place in PATRIARCHY that White middle class folks just LUV to support, and ole bro has his brothers, cousins, drunk uncles, all living off the food stamps, etc., from the pregnant Chattles, yes I saw those,

I saw the few black women, whose male fathers growing up in Gang mentality, drugs, etc., were trying to better themselves, OR they flat gave up after the SYSTEM run by WHITE FOLKS made Sure to beat them down at Every chance TO better themselves because that's the way you keep "those types" out of your precious Gated communities and keep your Wage SLAVES...

I saw it, I LIVED IT. I also saw the judges, lawyers, cops, preachers, teachers, that LOVE to SEXUALLY EXPLOIT POOR WOMEN into sex, or who love to abuse and rape those COERCED into the Sex industry because by golly their white imperialist asses are So entitled to women's bodies, and the White women who support that # because That's the only Real empowerment they get under PATRIARCHY is seeing other women on lower rungs of pyramid having to suck #...I saw it, so did my child.

I went to college, had to Fight the Bourgeoise system, tell Patriarchy to shove it, take out mega loans which pushed me further into a life of servitude while daddy dick drives a brand new pick up and who know how many more female victims at his beck and call, praise jesus, He's special, he's Entitled...women are# toilets,,,Have those babies she is a parasite, work she is neglectful mom, don't work shr is parasite, has sex she is who're, don't have sex she is nazi dyke bitch, has abortion she's a baby killer and should get a man...can't get a man she's defunct, but it's always on SHE isn't it? meanwhile, all those Immaculate Jesus babies out there, and it's the Woman who should get a job and Meanwhile Let's legalize Prostitution and use GUBERMENT money to protect johns and lets pay for more Viagra and by golly dont you DARE touch that PORN...but Babies on Welfare, how DARE you woman, get a job...

You know it just wreaks of so much misogynist # that it's not even funny yet No one ever calls men out on it. it's Always "those mothers" and then those same types Want to get rid of Birth Control, let Rapists ....



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 11:02 PM
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Have custody of the raped into existence children and why good ole imperialist scum society Fine with that, save those tax dollars and who cares if After being a fetus if that child is Murdered by raping beating thug daddy...

So Root of problem there, Hypocrisy...

As for abuses of the system ms teacher, it's a lot of b.s. That may be true in pockets in communities in urban areas or where there is influx of Some, emphasis on SOME, immigrant communities, but it in NO WAY is true of all of welfare, not Even. so let me break it down for you, to dispell the IGNORANT MYTHS...

One, there are subgroups of welfare recipients Depending on region as well as types of Employment offered and housing. Inareas where development Deliberately structured Ghetto areas during Segregation, which is now called Smart development, it's about weeding out the broken down poor and KEEPING THEM POOR, to benefit the Rich class, fact. The mental health is poor due to the gov AND church mandated high carb sugar diets, don't believe me check out the food banks and HOW they work by district, research the POVERTY INDUSTRY, because it IS a profit making industry EXPLOITING the poor...

Many poor KNOW this, and they Rebel against it, ESP in generational, but the PROBLEM BEGAN with uppity snot # people who wanted cheap goods and cheap SLAVE labor and those undesirables out of their pretty little all white communities, FACT. That's the PHSYCHOLOGY of where a lot of your abuse of system comes from, and rich assholes Exploit this, FACT. This leads to generational family abuses, particularly among women, which causes a generational emotional and mental illness That is DELIBERATELY FED BY white imperialists, RELIGION, and CAPITALISTS.

second, then you have what I would term as migrant worker ( many brought over DELIBERATELY HY WHITE NEOCON CHURCHES! CORPS!ETC ) welfare families, ESP in agriculture, OR when guberment wants a Catholic majority vote or a Muslim one, FACT, oh don't fret, leftists as well as rightist play this game...and welfare policies are all in the cookie jar on this one. So you have right there two kinds of systematic operations by the gov system that are similar but different, same ends though...

Third, control of the Labor pool which is what You ms teacher are seeing in the school districts but I'm going to call you out on one thing...there is Just as much apathy and Entitlement, if not More so, from your suburbia working middle class and upper classes...and you can blame our Culture for that one, welfare or no welfare, Females are GROOMED at Young ages to be dumb, cell phone addicts, sex pots and baby makers...aka CONSUMERS and Who is responsible?

Capitalism, Consumer oriented ESP sexualizing Market economy run and Engineered by the same Anti Welfare good ole white boys club...

IF we wanted Women OFF of WELFARE we would REWARD WOMEN FEMALES for saying NO NO NO to men, sex, marriage, babies and saying YES to Science, Math, Engineering, Male dominated fields,

Hell WE can't even PAY women the same, those same ASSWIPES who scream to Women get a job, are the same assholes who scream to women GET BACK INTO THE KITCHEN....

What do these Young girls think? We DEMONIZE strong women, and glorify mass media dumbed down sex pot women, and WHO IS TO BLAME.

ALL OF YOU

Don't like Welfare, then Stop supporting male sexism, entitlements to Sex on demand, rape culture, the dumbed down bimbo female culture, and Start supporting Empowerment, fair wages And fair trade and Gender Equality,

You Can't have your patriarchy backwards caveman cultures...and then Bitch because women are pregnant with child and too poor to support...and if Welfare bothers you that much,

Demand VASECTOMIES...

But you see, they Won't do that, because remember, it's All those Immaculate Conceptions, Jesus fetuses being born....





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