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Originally posted by TheMaverick
reply to post by dontreally
Also why we are on the subject, when can we see Israel have her nuclear weapons regulated ?
Originally posted by mytheroy
either way they are pushing hard for a WW3
As to the second thing you mentioned, why Israel can have them? Well, assuming they do have them, they've had them for over 40 years, and not a thing has happened. A liberal democratic nation, which by definition is a moderate state, is quite trust worthy.
But Iran, not surprisingly (given their obvious ambitions) refuses this compromise.
Originally posted by OperationIraqiFailure
This video does not mention the CIA Coup of 1953. Why not?
Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by sensibleSenseless
I gave you a star for being about as balanced as is possible.
One objection though.
I wouldn't call them "Assumptions" but rather possible scenarios or concerns to be discussed. It's actually pretty assumptive to assume they are assumptions. Which is part of the problem with attempting to discuss this situation.
Many on both sides Assume what the others intentions are.
Originally posted by MamaJ
Op... After watching only 3 minutes and 51 seconds of the video I had to stop. I like spending my time learning new things and frankly not into listening to more lies by people who could care less about the world in general and being "fair".
In the beginning of the video it states in text that "everyone is worried about Iran". NOT EVERYONE is worried.... and this was the first lie in the video... right from the start.
I am not concerned with Islamic Law because If I was I would have to be concerned about the "Christian Law" as well as all other religions and their "laws".
What is the concern? Oil. Money. Oil equals money for the big guys and the day we become dependent without oil is the day we will be "free". Money is an enemy and anything having to do with it... Im over it really!
Economically speaking the US is already lost the battle and believe me... its no fault of Iran. We cannot live in fear based on what Iran does with oil and how it will effect our economy. Thats just like we cannot blame China.... these countries have to do what they feel is best within their own rights and their peoples rights. Who are we to say what they can and cant do. What happened to freedom? We cannot continue to dictate to other countries! If what is good for the US.. should be good for another country.
Mr. Iran is no enemy to me... and frankly I enjoy listening to his speeches. I am in no way worried about him as I am more worried about the US wicked leaders these days. Talk about sinister.... man! We have been lead to a place where there may not be much light for a long time... its not Iran's fault.
What do tptb have to say about the Earth given resources? It fills their pockets and they live high on the horse! They are about to come tumbling down though for all to see their weak faces drowning in the depths of poverty! You cannot be greedy, rape and pillage the Earth forever.... it has to stop.
Divine knowledge that was carried and disseminated by such prophets as Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Mohammad. Today, agnostic thinking is on the decline and presently humanity is equally enamored with religion, science, knowledge and spirituality. This is an auspicious beginning.
All Divine prophets from the Prophet Adam (peace be upon him) to the Prophet Moses, to the Prophet Jesus Christ , to the Prophet Mohammad , have all called humanity to monotheism, justice, brotherhood, love and compassion. Is it not possible to build a better world based on monotheism, justice, love and respect for the rights of human beings, and thereby transform animosities into friendship?
In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful "Oh God, hasten the arrival of Imam Al-Mahdi and grant him good health and victory and make us his followers and those who attest to his right fullness"
Let us, hand in hand, expand the thought of resistance against evil and the minority of those who are ill-wishers. Let's support goodness and the majority of people who are good and the embodiment of absolute good that is the Imam of Time, The Promised One who will come accompanied by Jesus Christ, and accordingly design and implement the just and humanistic mechanisms for regulating the constructive relationships between nations and governments.
All this can be attained when humanity reaches its zenith and the last Divine resource, a progeny of the beloved prophet of Islam,Imam Mahdi will appear and so will Jesus,son of Mary and all other righteous people who will assist him in this great global endeavor and this is the very idea of awaiting a savior. Awaiting the government of the good and the righteous which is the hope of all people for the betterment of the world. They shall come and with the aid of the pious and the righteous will fulfill the historical ideals of human beings for freedom, excellence, growth, security and tranquility, peace and magnificence. They shall come to end war and aggression and bestow knowledge, morality and friendship on all humankind. Yes, (and indeed) yes, a bright future lies ahead for humanity.
and Quran names with respect the previous Messengers of God, like Noah, Abraham, Isaaq, Joseph, Moses and Jesus Christ and endorses them. They burned Quran to burn all these truths and good judgments. However, the truth could not be burned. On behalf of the Iranian nation I pay respect to all Divine Books and their followers. This is the Quran and this is the Bible. I pay respect to both of them.In the recent centuries, the human ethics and values have been rejected as a cause for backwardness. They were even portrayed as opposing wisdom and science because of the earlier infliction on man by the proclaimers of religion in the dark ages of the West. The complete human, the true servant of God and the true friend of the mankind whose father was from the generation of the beloved Prophet of Islam and whose mother was from the true believers of the Jesus Christ, shall wait along with Jesus the son of Marry and the other righteous to appear on those brilliant times and assist the humanity.
The creation of a supreme and ideal society with the arrival of a perfect human being who is a true and sincere lover of all human beings, is the guaranteed promise of Allah. He will come alongside with Jesus Christ to lead the freedom and justice lovers to eradicate tyranny and discrimination, and promote knowledge, peace, justice freedom and love across the world.
-The arrival of the Ultimate Savior, Jesus Christ and the Righteous will bring about an eternally bright future for mankind,not by force or waging wars but through thought awakening and developing kindness in everyone. Their arrival will breathe a new life in the cold and frozen body of the world. He will bless humanity with a spring that puts an end to our winter of ignorance, poverty and war with the tidings of a season of blooming.
-God Almighty has promised us a man of kindness, a man who loves people and loves absolute justice, a man who is a perfect human being and is named Imam Al-Mahdi, a man who will come in the company of Jesus Christ (PBUH) and the righteous.
- The current world order is discriminatory and based on injustice.
Originally posted by Sissel
www.ifamericansknew.org...reply to post by TTAA2012
The numbers cited above include civilians and combatants killed by members of the opposing nationality (and therefore, do not include Palestinians killed by an explosive device that they set or was on their person, Israelis killed in 'friendly fire' incidents, etc.). The numbers also do not include the sizable number of Palestinians who died as a result of inability to reach medical care due to Israeli road closures, curfews, the Israeli closure of border crossing from Gaza, etc.
Wrong, wrong, and wrong.
Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by Sissel
Right. Just keep your head in the sand. That should provide plenty of cover.
Lets not play silly here, you know, i know, the whole world knows israel has nuclear weapons, and quite a few aswell, now the fact they haven't been used yet, means nothing, as you know if israel use these nuclear weapons they claim not to have tomorrow on another nation, russia and china would react with extreme force, and so would most of the west, now as much as zionist israel leaves a bad taste in my mouth, they are far from stupid and know how to play the global chess game very well, and wouldn't use these weapons unless checkmated.
Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by OperationIraqiFailure
Star for that one. I completely forgot that Israel plays by her own rules during wartime as well.
Want to give me an example of that?? Which war? '48, '67, '73??
You are a total fanatic.
Israel's military fired white phosphorus over crowded areas of Gaza repeatedly and indiscriminately in its three-week war, killing and injuring civilians and committing war crimes, Human Rights Watch said today. In a 71-page report, the rights group said the repeated use of air-burst white phosphorus artillery shells in populated areas of Gaza was not incidental or accidental, but revealed "a pattern or policy of conduct". It said the Israeli military used white phosphorus in a "deliberate or reckless" way. The report says: • Israel was aware of the dangers of white phosphorus. • It chose not to use alternative and less dangerous smoke shells. • In one case, Israel even ignored repeated warnings from UN staff before hitting the main UN compound in Gaza with white phosphorus shells on 15 January.
to want nuclear energy THIS MUCH, to sacrifice your entire economy, to let your currency drop 80% (so far) to bring this needless suffering on your population - it just doesn't make rational sense
Originally posted by dontreally
One need merely be mindful of the messianic anticipations of Shia Islam to take the videos warnings seriously.
The video says at one point: "Should Iran be so suicidally insane", and that made me think: to want nuclear energy THIS MUCH, to sacrifice your entire economy, to let your currency drop 80% (so far) to bring this needless suffering on your population - it just doesn't make rational sense. There is something inexorable and monomaniacal about Iran's pursuit of nuclear technology that counters any rational desire to 'challenge' world opinion, and it seems no economic deterrent will make them stop. A democratic nation would have stopped long ago. It's people would have brought it to an end; but no Iran.
The only possible, plausible, and indeed, likely explanation, is that Iran's Shia Islamic revolutionary doctrine of 'preparing the way for the the 12th imam' involves destabilizing the world. And they will go to whatever extent to do it. Including, building, transporting, and deploying a bomb in Israel.edit on 23-10-2012 by dontreally because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by beezzer
In another thread, I likened nuclear weapons to fire arms.
Or, perhaps in a delusion, you killed someone because you believed he posed a threat.