Originally posted by manykapao
Your "illusions" as it were, were what exactly?
Examples of illusional and false ideas-
-France, because it has a socialized type of health program, has lower quality health care than the US. It is hard to get to see a doctor, and wait
for care or surgery is long.
-France is Socialist. It does not have a Capitalist economy.
-People in other lands dream of being American, or living in America. They see it as an example of ideal living.
-In America, we have freedom that other european countries do not.
- Being independant and not being "part of the crowd" is the most important key to living, any cooperation with others is being sheep and giving up
who you are.
- Being "the best" is the highest value all people search for, and it is a given that in each interaction with others, humans are trying to get ahead
and above the other. Competivity and money are all humans basic driving forces.
That your country is one of the great ones? Is that really a lie?
Oh no! I was never taught that and didn't think that. I was told and believed the US was the GREATEST country in the world, period.
Ask a Frenchman, your husband, who are the GREATEST culinary experts in the world.
LOL! My husband is not the best one to task- he doesn't really like french cuisine! Like me, he is capable of being severe in his judgments of his
But there are some french people that will claim a special talent of their country (they'd probably be more likely to say wine making, in general).
But do you see a difference between "the greatest" in everything and anything, and the greatest at something in particular????
It is funny you said fellow "ex-patriots" in response to me, and also my fellow Americans in another post.
I don't see why. I am American, by blood and by my deepest roots of value and conditioning and experience.
An Ex-pat is simply someone who is "exterior" or outside their country, and yet are patriotic and loyal to their country. I remain so.
What I think is opportunistic of you is to still call yourself an American when a simple notion of pride in ones country can lead you to
attack it so underhandedly.
Then I shall explain- one can be proud of themselves, their origins, their family their nation,
and still retain a critical mind and ability to percieve both qualities AND faults within themself, their family, their nation, etc.
This is a point that many other cultures just assume everyone knows. It is really only Americans that will actually believe that you either believe
you have NO faults,
or you must "hate" yourself and think you have ONLY faults, no qualities.
What about something in between? I love my people, I am PROUD of my people, and yet also see that we have some things we could change to be more
effective, and will bring those up when with them?
Everyone is a mix of qualities and weaknesses. That is reality.
You can say what you will, but I see a deep seeded personality problem where you have to hate someone EDIT: I see your operational word for the same
thing is "critisize". You talk as if all Americans are some stereotype you have in your mind of them. I hope your husband is not requiring of that of
you, I know how possessive and chauvinistic they can be and how their intellectual class classifies everyone as inferior to "noble French ethics" and
I don't hate anyone. I grew out of that, as my mind expanded.
I would LOVE for you to prove me wrong about that stereotype of us americans!!!
If I keep pointing out those statements that express arrogance and belief in superiority in peoples posts here, maybe they would be more aware and
careful about adding them??
There are foriegners reading this, this is your chance to SHOW them that reputation is mistaken!
I am guessing you didn't think too hard about what you were saying before you wrote those assumptions about my husband- think about it, would such a
man get married with an American??
No, he is very critical of his own land and culture, because like me, he left it for a while and got to see it from the outside, through the eyes of
Both of us try to be critical minded, and take the best lessons we can from each culture and nation to make for the best balance possible. It is
interesting because as far as values go, these two countries are really diametrically opposed, and on each end, we can witness the results of going
too far with either extreme.
But anyway, apparently you haven't had much experience with family values in France and that is understandable. In France, where home and family is
more important than work and career, women have a very big power- much more so than in the US. This is part of that opposing values thing. Women are
much more valuable here than in the US. Men do what their wife judges best, as she is considered the wiser sex.
That is, by the way, part of how they got the "fairy" stereotype. American men finding it less masculine to respect their wife so much.
on 29-10-2012 by Bluesma because: (no reason given)