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Originally posted by GafferUK1981
Now when you use the phrase common creator to me that creator is evolution and not a god. Whether Jehovah, Zeus or the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
My belief carries evidence as evolution is an observable fact. I would like to know how you still can believe that we were created by god when evidence points to evolution.
With mankind's 5 senses, along with our brains, we can discern reality that is right before us.
That's where 'logic' and reason comes into play - the rational methodology to sieve through reports and data to find the truth. Truth does create crisis, not only of faith, for it upsets your applecart of lies in your comfort zone, to face and confront realities bravely, painful as it often is.
I welcome atheists on ATS, as they often long to show their deluded sense of superiority in atheism and mocking others as irrational or delusional. This is nothing more than their suffering from an inferiority complex, to prove to others that they are right and find support for it. Guess it can be lonely being a minority in our faithfully religious world.
Sorry for the long post. My point is...there is still much to know and learn. Shutting the mind up only leads to ignorances, which will have impact and consequences upon our lives later when reality strikes.
Guess it can be lonely being a minority in our faithfully religious world.
NOW...which ape had built cities and stepped on the moon? All I see is only homo sapiens doing it, while monkeys are still swinging from trees to trees and bananas are their treasured fruit. Is this my 'reality' alone, or is everyone else seeing the same thing as I do?
Running away, to fight another day? Seems happening pretty often around here, sadly, but nevertheless, logic and truth will always truimph.
My humble point again - Never be proud with one's ignorance. There is still much to be learnt and know, with open minded rationalization, than close minded stupidity posing as 'rational' minds. But still, it is one's free will and choice, to seek truths, or be comfortable with stupidity.
I do not believe God is holding us to a higher standard. I believe that God has all the power to stop the conflicts of the world and more, but that he wishes people to be more than just observers and take action against it simply for the reason that we can. He gifted us free will, and with that we can make many changes, good, and unfortunately, bad.
Originally posted by grayeagle
reply to post by guitarplayer
One of my concerns is if we are not to be just observers, withholding help when we know how to do good, but to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the sick, is God holding us to a higher standard then himself? I am talking about the here and now. If nothing escapes his notice, the bird that falls to earth, then how does he stand by and watch the children I have seen abused. I know many will say that it is man's sin that is causing it. I agree it is man's fault however that doesn't answer my question. Could you stand by while a little child is raped. Then my painful question is how can God? Pain and sorrow are things I experience in immediacy. I have trouble denying their immediate consequences. To take that position that pain and suffering are all good because it strengthens us and makes us better people allows us to dismiss the pain and suffering of others as inevitable and to be desired. Could you stand next to that small child and tell them to rejoice in their pain and suffering because it will make them better people? There has been a whole lot of pain and suffering in this world and I don't see any positive results. I don't see the world or people getting better. If we see evolution as the effort to better survive then why don't we see it not just change the physical but change the more important behavior. If we look around at human behavior it appears to me that it has gotten worse. We have less assurance of our survival every day. I ask these question with all sincerity! I am not ashamed to ask them nor do I think that I blaspheme God because I ask them! Obviously it is important to me!
Yes us atheists may be guilty of acting superior but we have educated ourselves so our knowledge is superior. I'd much rather keep reading facts and learn more about the world than to read an old book that is just becoming more redundant every day.