Originally posted by grayeagle
...it is getting harder for me to imagine a merciful god who would command the utter destruction of men, women and children by the sword as spoken in
the Old Testament. Can your justice really be doled out in excruciating fear and pain? Defenseless children destroyed because of their parent’s
sin? How can that be justice?
We read of this through the filter of stable civilization, and the higher spiritual law that Christ ushered in. But in it's time, it may well have
been the only path available. I think the harshness was in response to the limited capacity of the Israelites to remain grounded in faith. Do I think
God liked it? No, but for the greater good of all the generations down to today, they and their history had to survive.
Lord I don’t understand your mercy...The world is so full of hunger and pain. The poor we will have with us forever?...Can you really allow
that to continue and yet be a merciful God? And why?
If we are here to be tried, it is vastly deeper than sin/no sin. For everyone suffering, there is an opportunity for another to give service, to walk
by, or to kick dirt in the beggar's face. Each action or inaction shapes who we are. When we suffer, we have the opportunity to learn humility,
patience, longsuffering or we can nurture, hatred, anger, prejudice and pridefulness. We can also let ourselves crawl into numbness and apathy.
Without suffering we cannot know joy, both by experiencing sorrow and relieving sorrow. Suffering is probably the greatest opportunity for His
children to learn powerful lessons and growth.
“Saved by faith not by works,” but “faith without works is dead,” appear to cancel each other out...
Two ways to see the 'paradox':
First, when one has nurtured faith, they cannot help but have their works show it. This puts you and others in a quandry though: If I fall short in
my works, is my faith a lie?
Second: We are saved through the Atonement of Christ, after all that we can do. Two separate principles: We can never do anything to save ourselves,
but are commanded to work towards perfection always, and only through Christ will we be saved in the end. The atonement is a constant offering to
those with faith. Work toward perfection shows God our obedience, and is the fruit of true faith.
Why would man’s sin condemn him to eternal pain?...Surely it would not be something you need to satisfy a need for revenge. I believe many
people have died since Jesus died and never heard the gospel. Would you really exact eternal pain to those who have not accepted Jesus as Lord and
Savior because they haven’t heard the gospel?
First, if we return to God and have a complete understanding of our purpose here restored, couldn't the pain and anguish be self inflicted? When we
really hurt those we love here on earth, we carry the guilt and sorrow of our choices for many many years. If we fail God, wouldn't our anguish truly
be eternal? Would our banishment be forced upon us, or would we ourselves flee in shame?
Second, imagine a person lives without 'the gospel' his whole life, but seeks after all the true principles of the gospel as he finds them in life
(Love, Charity, Patience, etc.) When he dies, won't the truth of Christ's work be immediately visible to that man? Won't that man accept Christ
immediately? If a man does all he can in this life with what he is given, and accepts Christ the moment he can, how can God turn him away? I don't
think God does.
All of creation is crying out for mercy, for healing, for salvation. Even the earth groans. Where is my hope and my salvation? If faith
isn’t enough then I am quite lost and condemned forever
These are extraordinary times. Mankind has gone out of balance farther than all of history combined. But you know there will be an end to this
suffering, this gross imbalance. You know that these horrors are allowed by God for a (relatively) short time so that the wicked will seal their
Christ is your hope and your salvation, friend. Who was the man? A hippie carpenter who taught people to empower themselves, help others and love.
The works he did were not so much smiting and rebuking...they were teaching, loving, helping and relieving sorrow.
Hear my cry o Lord and attend unto my prayer, restore to me the joy of my salvation. I will try to believe in my heart and confess with my
mouth that Jesus is my lord and savior.
Don't think you are alone. Everyone has moments in life where their prayers sound much the same as yours do. I'm sure even the prophets and apostles
wrestled with these things in their times.
This is a talk on the Atonement
. It is from the most recent LDS
general conference. It's not your flavor of religion, but maybe it will help or give you insight or hope.
edit on 23-10-2012 by blamethegreys
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