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From 500 yards, every Marine is accurate with a rifle. Attach the OKC-3S Bayonet, and the weapon becomes just as effective in close combat situations. Also a Marine's multi-purpose fighting knife, the OKC-3S is the weapon of choice when shots can't be fired. Every Marine receives bayonet training in the Marine Corps Martial Arts Program (MCMAP) and on the Bayonet Assault Course in Recruit Training.
These days, with automatic weapons, it's far easier to just shoot a few rounds rather than sticking your assault rifle into an enemy combatant and then having to do the 'struggling to pull it out again' dance.
You have said enough for me to know that your training was a waste of time.
Originally posted by masqua
reply to post by butcherguy
Guess what, butcherguy... I don't need to 'read up' on bayonets.
I was trained in their use(lessness)
Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by Logarock
And the 80s were before we were scrapping with desert rats in the Mideast in the sand. Bad analogies all over this thread.
Under-construction Gerald R. Ford-class aircraft carriers:
Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78)
John F. Kennedy (CVN-79)
Unnamed Carrier (CVN-80)
Originally posted by timetothink
"The ships are gone"
Those in the know say we need at least 300 water vessels for our Navy to be safe and effective.
There are 12 carriers, by law. Today they are all nuclear powered. The last two conventional carriers, Kennedy and Kitty Hawk, were decommissioned several years ago; my son-in-law decommissioned both ships.
After all arrangements were made to decommission Kitty, he was instructed to call the ceremony something else because its replacement had not passed sea trials and therefore the Navy would violate the law by having only 11 operating carriers.
So they had a legend ceremony.
Shortly after, only the CO and one or two sailors remained. Four months later the last crew member, the CO, received a message to transfer from the ship. So for four months the Navy had a commissioned carrier, dead and no crew.
Now to the meat. If you were to ask our citizens "How big is our U.S. Navy?" you would receive all kinds of answers. Most would be large numbers, like 1,000 ships. Actually, it is 278, plus or minus -- the smallest number in some 80 years. There are 340 admirals, plus or minus a few.
The Sixth Fleet has one ship, and I don't think it has any guns or missiles. I'm not sure where that destroyer came from. The No. 1 one priority for our Navy, as demanded by the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mullen, and the chief of naval operations, Adm. Roughead, is diversity. They are busy doing other things.
Our people have been put to sleep since the 1993 base closures, when the Navy lied to us about the size of the fleet. It was then 450, and nobody said anything when it dropped below 300. Where are the Kings, Halseys, Nimitzes and Burkes? We now have no warriors, only managers. James A. Kenney Capt., U.S. Navy (Retired)
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Well, you are still bypassing the empty gun problem.
Originally posted by masqua
reply to post by butcherguy
The one thing that really stuck in my mind, from my time in the forces and bayonet training, was that, if you bayonet somebody, don't try to twist it out because the guy you stuck it in is going to be doubled over and grabbing onto the rifle, making it really tough to pull out. It's pure instinct for someone to clutch the rifle.
The way to get it out is to pull the trigger and make that effort easier. Upshot is; save yourself a step and pull the trigger first.