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Originally posted by pavil
If there ever is a major war, the nation who has command of the seas, air and space will eventually dominate the war. You can't build a navy fast enough when you need it, it has to be there in the first place.
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Originally posted by butcherguy
Well, most of them, I would think. They are not only made to mount on a rifle and perform a 'bayonet charge'. They serve a multitude of purposes. Soldiers need knives too, things don't just cut themselves.
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
since 1984.
Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by butcherguy
Over 400,000 bayonets ordered for the military since 1984.
How many are actually USED?
The spin out there is pathetic.
Contemporary bayonets have been modified to fit a variety of uses. Bayonets are often multi-purpose knifes such as the American M7 bayonet which is also an effective fighting knife or the Soviet AKM bayonet which was also a ground breaking survival knife that can be used as a wire-cutter when combined with its scabbard. Some bayonets can also be used as utility knifes, bottle openers or can even be used by troops to cut their way free through the relatively thin metal skin of a crashed helicopter or airplane. Also, issuing one modern multi-purpose bayonet/knife is obviously more cost effective than issuing two or three specialty bayonets and knifes.
Bayonets- Wikipedia It isn't spin, it's reality.
Are you really claiming that hand to hand combat is the norm in this day and age?
It is VERY rare for a service member to use a bayonet in today's military. Just as the president said. WE HAVE LESS. they arent completely out of service. But they CERTAINLY are not as imperative as they once were, which is THE WHOLE POINT.
Yeah, no spin at all
Originally posted by WhatAreThey
Which is exactly why the US forces shouldn't even train with bayonets, or even hand to hand combat! Heck, they shouldn't even do any physical training at all. While we are at it, let's get rid of all these extra airplanes, ships, and subs that haven't seen actual combat in the last 20 years.
Then where are we? A bunch of fat retarded idiots, with no military utility whatsoever when it is needed.
Originally posted by ColeYounger
Obama's remarks were undignified in the extreme and unbefitting a president.
"We have things called aircraft carriers that planes land on." It was immature, really bush-league.
Our society has become so ignorant that rude, snotty, and mannerless people are looked upon as "assertive" or "confident".
Seriously...it was like watching some smarmy, know-it-all college brat.
Originally posted by pavil
Originally posted by earthdude
reply to post by pavil
We fly our troops in commercial style aircraft. We ship our materials UPS. Scrap the entire Navy and our safety won't be compromised at all. In fact, hatred against us would be reduced if our big bad ships are not all over looking menacing to the world population.
You are not understanding what I am saying. OTHER nations can not ship their troops around by ship, which is the only way to really do a massive deployment halfway around the world because there is a U.S. Navy. You can fly a limited amount of men and material around, but you can't shift divisions around that way easily. Only France, the U.K. and the U.S. have demonstrated the ability to air and sea lift large military forces far from their homes.
People will hate the U.S. regardless of what we do. If there ever is a major war, the nation who has command of the seas, air and space will eventually dominate the war. You can't build a navy fast enough when you need it, it has to be there in the first place.
Originally posted by Dystopiaphiliac
Originally posted by pavil
If there ever is a major war, the nation who has command of the seas, air and space will eventually dominate the war. You can't build a navy fast enough when you need it, it has to be there in the first place.
Then for the sake of humanity and Earth why the hell have so many American bombs exploded in countries across the planet? Is that the US governments plan for subverting hatred towards America? I'm sure we have enemies all across the globe because of the peaceful things we have been doing since the founding of this nation.
Originally posted by illuminated0ne
You'd have to be quite dumb to not understand.
Bayonets are not as necessary as they used to be because the battlefield has changed, war has changed, technology has changed, tactics have changed, etc. so therefor we use less bayonets.
In the past, having a large number of Navy ships was necessary. Now we have bigger, faster, more powerful ships, and I'm sure we don't need as many as we used to have because of that. One modern ship could be equivalent in power to two or more older ships from 1916.
So Romney's argument that "we have fewer ships than we did in 1916 because of Obama" is just an extremely illogical and empty argument. It's laughable.
And the fact Paul Ryan doesn't understand the comparison made by the President just shows how incredibly unintelligent he is.edit on 23-10-2012 by illuminated0ne because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by okyouwin
Originally posted by ColeYounger
Obama's remarks were undignified in the extreme and unbefitting a president.
"We have things called aircraft carriers that planes land on." It was immature, really bush-league.
Our society has become so ignorant that rude, snotty, and mannerless people are looked upon as "assertive" or "confident".
Seriously...it was like watching some smarmy, know-it-all college brat.
I thought that was a little rude. Then he said something about submarines, you know they go under the water. I, how ever don't think it was unbefitting I think it was called for. All night Romney presented this must be considered attitude, defiant and dominate all backed with nothing but bluff and bluster. I think Obama was only noting this lack of gravitas, chops, or any kind of earned expertise, and did so by elevating it to it's most absurd level. I think this showed Obama to be a real man.
Romney is one tough bastard, but he's wrong headed.
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Most people would be shocked to find out how much the B-2s and F-117s cost us, including research and development. I can't think of any other nation that has such capablities. I think it is a big luxury when at least 30% of the american population cannot afford healthcare and have their pays garnished for years if they are unlucky enough to fail for state welfare. Or diverting money from social security to pay for the false flag wars.
I think the libya campaign was legitimate though. As was the serbia campaign. Not somalia!
The current level of ships, 285 in fiscal 2011, is actually not even the lowest since 1916. The historical list shows that the lowest ship force was reached during the Bush administration, when the number of ships fell to 278 in 2007. Given the change over time in the composition of the naval force, that probably is the most relevant comparison — and the trend line is up.
Romney’s pledge to build 15 more ships per year, including three submarines, also is less than meets the eye. The current Navy plan is to build 34 ships over the next four years — 10 in 2013 — including seven submarines as part of its goal to reach at least 300 ships by 2019. (The Congressional Budget Office, however, has raised questions about whether this plan is feasible.)
Given ship retirements, Romney’s plan probably would net an additional 20 ships, Pike said, but he said it generally takes three years to build a ship and another year to put it in commission. In other words, the Navy in place at the end of a first Romney term would be Obama’s Navy. In any case, even under the best-case scenario under Romney’s proposal, the Navy would end up with about as many ships as in 2000 — which is barely better than 1916.
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Most people would be shocked to find out how much the B-2s and F-117s cost us, including research and development. I can't think of any other nation that has such capablities. I think it is a big luxury when at least 30% of the american population cannot afford healthcare and have their pays garnished for years if they are unlucky enough to fail for state welfare. Or diverting money from social security to pay for the false flag wars.
I think the libya campaign was legitimate though. As was the serbia campaign. Not somalia!
Well, see this is what I mean when I say that Socialists justify war whenever it suits their purposes, but decry it when it is actually used for real defense against the communist empire. The ends always justify the means in their minds.