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posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 10:51 PM
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Originally posted by pavil
If there ever is a major war, the nation who has command of the seas, air and space will eventually dominate the war. You can't build a navy fast enough when you need it, it has to be there in the first place.


Then for the sake of humanity and Earth why the hell have so many American bombs exploded in countries across the planet? Is that the US governments plan for subverting hatred towards America? I'm sure we have enemies all across the globe because of the peaceful things we have been doing since the founding of this nation.




posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by butcherguy

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by timetothink
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Over 400,000 bayonets ordered for the military since 1984.




since 1984.

How many are actually USED?

The spin out there is pathetic.
Well, most of them, I would think. They are not only made to mount on a rifle and perform a 'bayonet charge'. They serve a multitude of purposes. Soldiers need knives too, things don't just cut themselves.


Contemporary bayonets have been modified to fit a variety of uses. Bayonets are often multi-purpose knifes such as the American M7 bayonet which is also an effective fighting knife or the Soviet AKM bayonet which was also a ground breaking survival knife that can be used as a wire-cutter when combined with its scabbard. Some bayonets can also be used as utility knifes, bottle openers or can even be used by troops to cut their way free through the relatively thin metal skin of a crashed helicopter or airplane. Also, issuing one modern multi-purpose bayonet/knife is obviously more cost effective than issuing two or three specialty bayonets and knifes.


Bayonets- Wikipedia It isn't spin, it's reality.


Are you really claiming that hand to hand combat is the norm in this day and age?

It is VERY rare for a service member to use a bayonet in today's military. Just as the president said. WE HAVE LESS. they arent completely out of service. But they CERTAINLY are not as imperative as they once were, which is THE WHOLE POINT.

Yeah, no spin at all


Which is exactly why the US forces shouldn't even train with bayonets, or even hand to hand combat! Heck, they shouldn't even do any physical training at all. While we are at it, let's get rid of all these extra airplanes, ships, and subs that haven't seen actual combat in the last 20 years.

Then where are we? A bunch of fat retarded idiots, with no military utility whatsoever when it is needed.



posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 10:56 PM
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Originally posted by WhatAreThey

Which is exactly why the US forces shouldn't even train with bayonets, or even hand to hand combat! Heck, they shouldn't even do any physical training at all. While we are at it, let's get rid of all these extra airplanes, ships, and subs that haven't seen actual combat in the last 20 years.

Then where are we? A bunch of fat retarded idiots, with no military utility whatsoever when it is needed.


Maybe when this childish country stops invading other countries they won't hate us.



posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 10:58 PM
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Originally posted by ColeYounger
Obama's remarks were undignified in the extreme and unbefitting a president.
"We have things called aircraft carriers that planes land on." It was immature, really bush-league.
Our society has become so ignorant that rude, snotty, and mannerless people are looked upon as "assertive" or "confident".

Seriously...it was like watching some smarmy, know-it-all college brat.


I thought that was a little rude. Then he said something about submarines, you know they go under the water. I, how ever don't think it was unbefitting I think it was called for. All night Romney presented this must be considered attitude, defiant and dominate all backed with nothing but bluff and bluster. I think Obama was only noting this lack of gravitas, chops, or any kind of earned expertise, and did so by elevating it to it's most absurd level. I think this showed Obama to be a real man.

Romney is one tough bastard, but he's wrong headed.



posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 11:01 PM
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Originally posted by pavil

Originally posted by earthdude
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We fly our troops in commercial style aircraft. We ship our materials UPS. Scrap the entire Navy and our safety won't be compromised at all. In fact, hatred against us would be reduced if our big bad ships are not all over looking menacing to the world population.


You are not understanding what I am saying. OTHER nations can not ship their troops around by ship, which is the only way to really do a massive deployment halfway around the world because there is a U.S. Navy. You can fly a limited amount of men and material around, but you can't shift divisions around that way easily. Only France, the U.K. and the U.S. have demonstrated the ability to air and sea lift large military forces far from their homes.


People will hate the U.S. regardless of what we do. If there ever is a major war, the nation who has command of the seas, air and space will eventually dominate the war. You can't build a navy fast enough when you need it, it has to be there in the first place.

Why do you think other countries would do things differently if they decided to be invaders. I ment "we" as in the human race. When was the last time we intercepted a ship full of troops? Man, everybody is stuck in the 1940's. We don't even need to man ships, they can be remotely controlled.



posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 11:16 PM
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We could cut 50% of the DOD spending and still be the number one global dog by far. Of course neither side will tell you this. We could cut 80% and still be competitive because we have nuclear capabilities like russia and china for example; again no one will tell you this. Up to 50% of the DOD budget is black projects anyway and god knows what they are for; maybe national security against some alien attack.

Bottom line is we started at least two wars on false flag attacks we ourselves committed. That is what false flag attacks are. We wasted trillions and had thousands of soldiers die for absolutely no good reason. Again no big party will tell you this, well except for ron paul who only has enough guts TO HINT at everything. If he speaks the truth he would probably get killed. Maybe a jill stein or gary johnson would tell you the truth, except the establishment is deadly afraid of them as well. I don't think its a case of snobbing as such, because to snob means you are better than someone else, and the democrats and republicans are definitely inferior, as most mass produced items are.

Bailouts to banks and business, along with 10 years of false flag wars have taken their toll on america and the rest of the world itself. I am pretty sure it was all planned to the letter. That is the way evil works in that they plan in advance. Good night america, keep voting democrats and republicans while continuing to whine like a ten year old retarded child, when all you have to do is vote smart; third party or independant. Keep whining and keep pushing mainstream threads ATSers you little rascals. Awww



posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 11:26 PM
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Obama's remark was a masterful way to say a lot without having to use a bunch of words to do so.

Such as, we do not depend on telephone poles to make phone calls
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posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 11:30 PM
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Conservative parties are represented by morons, for morons. So, naturally you'd get a moronic response to Romney being rolled for his own moronic statements.

Aren't the US' 7th Fleet essentially useless against Chinese deterrents now, anyway...?



posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 11:40 PM
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Originally posted by Dystopiaphiliac

Originally posted by pavil
If there ever is a major war, the nation who has command of the seas, air and space will eventually dominate the war. You can't build a navy fast enough when you need it, it has to be there in the first place.


Then for the sake of humanity and Earth why the hell have so many American bombs exploded in countries across the planet? Is that the US governments plan for subverting hatred towards America? I'm sure we have enemies all across the globe because of the peaceful things we have been doing since the founding of this nation.


Maybe it should be called the "department of offense" rather than the "department of defense".

We are simply continuing what england and spain did before world war 2! To do this implies spending many times more than what most nations spend and using false flag attacks to fool enough people into hating the victim enough to attack it. We attacked afghanistan and iraq and got what exactly? To this day I am baffled enormously everytime I have to pay $4 a gallon at the pump. According to the bush administration oil would have been selling at $20 a barrel and we would be paying 75c.
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posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 11:45 PM
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Once again, the game boys of ATS show just how truly ignorant that they are. Here's news for you little boys. Every M-16 has a bayonet lug. It's on there for a reason. The US uses more bayonets now that we every have. Oh, and since you morons don't really know anything about our military, I'll let you in on something else. We use horses in Afghanistan, even today.
Now go back to your little video games and the real warriors will continue to protect your worthless asses.



posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 11:47 PM
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Originally posted by illuminated0ne
You'd have to be quite dumb to not understand.

Bayonets are not as necessary as they used to be because the battlefield has changed, war has changed, technology has changed, tactics have changed, etc. so therefor we use less bayonets.

In the past, having a large number of Navy ships was necessary. Now we have bigger, faster, more powerful ships, and I'm sure we don't need as many as we used to have because of that. One modern ship could be equivalent in power to two or more older ships from 1916.

So Romney's argument that "we have fewer ships than we did in 1916 because of Obama" is just an extremely illogical and empty argument. It's laughable.

And the fact Paul Ryan doesn't understand the comparison made by the President just shows how incredibly unintelligent he is.
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And how many times have you been sent to fight in a war? What is your understanding of whether or not bayonets are still used in today's "Changing Battlefield"? I can assure you, that in my three years spent serving this country in Iraq, bayonets are still issued, bayonets are still used and bayonets are still a necessary weapon in today's infantry and marine corps. That is a fact. You would have absolutely no knowledge of whether or not bayonets are a viable means of combat in today's military. I know this to be true, because you claimed they aren't.



posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 11:47 PM
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Haha





posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 11:52 PM
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Cry me a river.

Those crocodile tears don't dismiss the obvious humor and hypocrisy of this election.



posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 11:57 PM
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Originally posted by okyouwin

Originally posted by ColeYounger
Obama's remarks were undignified in the extreme and unbefitting a president.
"We have things called aircraft carriers that planes land on." It was immature, really bush-league.
Our society has become so ignorant that rude, snotty, and mannerless people are looked upon as "assertive" or "confident".

Seriously...it was like watching some smarmy, know-it-all college brat.


I thought that was a little rude. Then he said something about submarines, you know they go under the water. I, how ever don't think it was unbefitting I think it was called for. All night Romney presented this must be considered attitude, defiant and dominate all backed with nothing but bluff and bluster. I think Obama was only noting this lack of gravitas, chops, or any kind of earned expertise, and did so by elevating it to it's most absurd level. I think this showed Obama to be a real man.

Romney is one tough bastard, but he's wrong headed.



Speaking of submarines, remember when that Chinese sub just popped up right in the harbor in California?



posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 12:02 AM
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Most people would be shocked to find out how much the B-2s and F-117s cost us, including research and development. I can't think of any other nation that has such capablities. I think it is a big luxury when at least 30% of the american population cannot afford healthcare and have their pays garnished for years if they are unlucky enough to fail for state welfare. Or diverting money from social security to pay for the false flag wars.

I think the libya campaign was legitimate though. As was the serbia campaign. Not somalia!



posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 12:03 AM
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Here's something to think about before I go to bed friends. Unless the Battlestar Galactica is sailing our seas, I think we are pretty safe.

I think we can both sides can agree that Battlestar Galactica is pretty sweet. I had no idea that Brazil had an aircraft carrier!




posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 12:12 AM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Most people would be shocked to find out how much the B-2s and F-117s cost us, including research and development. I can't think of any other nation that has such capablities. I think it is a big luxury when at least 30% of the american population cannot afford healthcare and have their pays garnished for years if they are unlucky enough to fail for state welfare. Or diverting money from social security to pay for the false flag wars.

I think the libya campaign was legitimate though. As was the serbia campaign. Not somalia!


Well, see this is what I mean when I say that Socialists justify war whenever it suits their purposes, but decry it when it is actually used for real defense against the communist empire. The ends always justify the means in their minds.

Oh yah, and Obamacare is actually diverting Medicare funds to pay for.....Obamacare.
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posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 12:13 AM
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Oh and I'll just link and leave this here to. Hopefully this will end the bitching about the size of our navy.



The current level of ships, 285 in fiscal 2011, is actually not even the lowest since 1916. The historical list shows that the lowest ship force was reached during the Bush administration, when the number of ships fell to 278 in 2007. Given the change over time in the composition of the naval force, that probably is the most relevant comparison — and the trend line is up.
Romney’s pledge to build 15 more ships per year, including three submarines, also is less than meets the eye. The current Navy plan is to build 34 ships over the next four years — 10 in 2013 — including seven submarines as part of its goal to reach at least 300 ships by 2019. (The Congressional Budget Office, however, has raised questions about whether this plan is feasible.)



Given ship retirements, Romney’s plan probably would net an additional 20 ships, Pike said, but he said it generally takes three years to build a ship and another year to put it in commission. In other words, the Navy in place at the end of a first Romney term would be Obama’s Navy. In any case, even under the best-case scenario under Romney’s proposal, the Navy would end up with about as many ships as in 2000 — which is barely better than 1916.


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Everyone can sleep easy. Your military is still, and will maintain to be strong.

I still think we should build a Battlestar, but that is for another thread.

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posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 12:16 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Most people would be shocked to find out how much the B-2s and F-117s cost us, including research and development. I can't think of any other nation that has such capablities. I think it is a big luxury when at least 30% of the american population cannot afford healthcare and have their pays garnished for years if they are unlucky enough to fail for state welfare. Or diverting money from social security to pay for the false flag wars.

I think the libya campaign was legitimate though. As was the serbia campaign. Not somalia!


Well, see this is what I mean when I say that Socialists justify war whenever it suits their purposes, but decry it when it is actually used for real defense against the communist empire. The ends always justify the means in their minds.


Against what communist empire? Maybe you don't keep up with the news? The USSR and Peoples Republic of China became capitalists. I never hear obama, romney, clinton, bush talk about them. I only hear them talk about iran, because their agenda is to defeat islam, not communism.

Communism fell just like capitalism will. All self-inflicted stupidity for the most part. But then again most great empires collapse anyway.



posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 12:20 AM
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Remember Obama has not got done revamping America in the image and likeness of his socialist marxist utopian empire. It is likely he has some plans for the military.





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