I don't want sound rude, since the whole guru thing is something my sister believes and I would be being rude to her as well.

I just think that if these people really wanted to help they would not make us devote our energy to them even in part. I see them as spiritual leaches. I do believe in the power of worship, that it can empower you and the feeling is very real, which is why it is so attractive to people. You do gain power from having people even just focus on you.

It is to be avoided. for 2 reasons.

1, it is a short cut for those being worshiped and leads to a dependence like a drug on having people focus energy on them. They become a sort of super ego vampire....look deep into them and you will see a very dark side hidden under the facade.

and

2, it is a drain on those doing the worship. It is only as beneficial as the one being worships allows and even then he is limited since the main purpose of worship is to receive power, not to give it. It hides real progress from these poor people.

again, not to seem like a jerk, I just prefer the self teacher over someone who will never reveal all his secrets. That is a law of being a master. You never reveal all your secrets to your students. A lie if I ever saw one. In that case it is not because they cannot understand it or are not ready. You do so for personal safety (fear) and to maintain your title (status). You only do show everything when your spiritual belly is full and you pass the plate to someone else who will in turn take up the selfish dish....

I hope you find what you are looking for. I bet it existed before this man was even born....and will exist long after him...

I agree with everything you said.

I appreciate your scepticism, OP. It is refreshing to hear from people who have incredibly experiences that question the experience(s) without immediately falling down the rabbit holes of belief like so many. I haven't watched the videos yet, but I look forward to it. However, I am hesitant to induce anything kundalini-related as I've heard about so many long-lasting side-effects.

Over the past few months I have read quite a bit on kundalini and it seems that if you awaken the power by yourself and the energy channels in the subtle body are not clean then it can be very dangerous or even deadly. In India there is a old saying "Without a spiritual master there can be no progress". The reason being is that only an enlightened siddha (yogi) can awaken this energy in a proper manner. That is why a lot of horror stories about kundalini, if you choose to do it yourself it is a big gamble with your life. That is what my "guru" says and that is what I have read in other books on vedic philosophy and yoga. So that is my 2 cents.

Originally posted by jheherrin
I appreciate your scepticism, OP. It is refreshing to hear from people who have incredibly experiences that question the experience(s) without immediately falling down the rabbit holes of belief like so many. I haven't watched the videos yet, but I look forward to it. However, I am hesitant to induce anything kundalini-related as I've heard about so many long-lasting side-effects.

Originally posted by razorman
Over the past few months I have read quite a bit on kundalini and it seems that if you awaken the power by yourself and the energy channels in the subtle body are not clean then it can be very dangerous or even deadly. In India there is a old saying "Without a spiritual master there can be no progress". The reason being is that only an enlightened siddha (yogi) can awaken this energy in a proper manner. That is why a lot of horror stories about kundalini, if you choose to do it yourself it is a big gamble with your life. That is what my "guru" says and that is what I have read in other books on vedic philosophy and yoga. So that is my 2 cents.

Originally posted by jheherrin
I appreciate your scepticism, OP. It is refreshing to hear from people who have incredibly experiences that question the experience(s) without immediately falling down the rabbit holes of belief like so many. I haven't watched the videos yet, but I look forward to it. However, I am hesitant to induce anything kundalini-related as I've heard about so many long-lasting side-effects.

People activate Kundalini all the time without a master so that there is needed a master except your spiritual self is not 100% right from my point of view but you have to be patient and not force it and only do things when it is comfortable. But if you want company and need a guide then use a Guru. Do what feels right for you so you feel safe.

But I agree that it can be a ride if you go the amgydala fear reaction road but that just happens to people that experiance things suddenly after an extreme lifechanging event. I get a little root and a little crown when I listen to it so the mantra does do something in your bodies. He is good with prounouncing the right frequency sound so your body reacts to it. If you wanna give money then give him money for his effort, just like you give a person playing a beautiful music money if you feel like it.

I bet that was a great experience for you and I truely hope it will bring you further on your path

I've never heard of Guru Siyag before so I googled him. There is a lot written on this guy in spiritual forums and it ALL rubs me in the wrong direction!
A few things that seem to come back very often is: "you need to have faith in the guru or the kundalini will fall"... "you must believe in the guru".... "you need to focus on the guru".... etc.
Well, guess that's the way of the Guru! LOL, but imo, you can learn these things on your own as well and it's probably safer to.

anyway,
Always make sure your 'guru' knows what he's doing and actually can do all the things he claims.
Ask yourself the question: What happens when you put all your focus on one person? What happens with your energy? Why would anyone ask of you to place your focus on him?
The answer is what makes a guru a guru..... and your better off without one.

In tibet they have the same thing. It is called guru yoga and it is done in the same way. You focus on the form/image of the guru right where the ajna chakra/third eye is.

Originally posted by GypsK
I bet that was a great experience for you and I truely hope it will bring you further on your path

I've never heard of Guru Siyag before so I googled him. There is a lot written on this guy in spiritual forums and it ALL rubs me in the wrong direction!
A few things that seem to come back very often is: "you need to have faith in the guru or the kundalini will fall"... "you must believe in the guru".... "you need to focus on the guru".... etc.
Well, guess that's the way of the Guru! LOL, but imo, you can learn these things on your own as well and it's probably safer to.

anyway,
Always make sure your 'guru' knows what he's doing and actually can do all the things he claims.
Ask yourself the question: What happens when you put all your focus on one person? What happens with your energy? Why would anyone ask of you to place your focus on him?
The answer is what makes a guru a guru..... and your better off without one.

I guess I'm not ready to try it.. this looks a little scary-lol
Are the involuntary movements attributed to opening up energy flows, ie; it's your body being awakened, or is it the energy itself? I guess that's kinda the same thing maybe-lol Not really sure what I'm trying to ask- doh!
As you continue the practice, do you just sit down to meditate and it begins, or is the chant still required?

At first I had to do the visualization and the chant. But now as soon as I sit and close my eyes the yogic movements start. I realize to a person observing from the side it looks kinda freaky, but I assure you it will make you feel amazing. This is how hatha yoga is suppose to be done. The postures are done by this intelligent energy. The postures will be different for every person. You may also get visions from the pineal gland. My mother is also doing this yoga and she has a lot of visions. So it is very different for everyone.