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Originally posted by Druid42
What is real?
If it's real, everyone's opinions would be the same
Nobody knows what happens when we are removed from this existence, via death, but there are plenty of conflicting reports, evident in all the major world religions
Current statistics place the worldwide death rate at 8.2 per thousand people per year. At a current world population of 6.7 billion, 56 million people die per year. That's a lot of disembodied spirits per year, really. Our reality should be rife with ghosts floating around and encountering people.
Has a ghost ever been captured, and put on display, such as animals in a zoo? Nope.
To believe in ghosts denotes a rigidity of the mind, a lack of understanding. Ghosts are simply a figment of our imagination, and not a part of reality.
What then is your view of reality? That only what we can see is real and that life is a chain of coincidences and the body a lump of meat?
Do you think that the Billions of adherents of the various religions and traditions have distorted perceptions?
Those events are spillovers from a realm that is not visible to the eye at all times.
Originally posted by Druid42
What is superstition?
It is a gray area in the realm of reality. It is the basis of every world religion.
Religion has set standards, rules, and has not allowed us to expand outside the realm of the required beliefs.
I am a Bright
I am a ball of meat
a human being with feelings, emotions
invoke invisible beings, or the ability to rely upon them for my benefit
Of course I do (believe that Billions of people are delusional)
In short, there is no universal belief in one SOLID principal.
Ghosts appear when we believe hard enough.
Still, it doesn't make Ghosts real. It keeps them defined within the realm of human imagination.
If I had to prove the existence of the paranormal, I would think that I would have to go with a media blanket. Let us say that I could get into and stay at a haunted location for a weeks worth of time. I would have to saturate the house with video and audio recorders. The video recorders would be set up in peer fashion, having been set up in another recorder’s field of view, if not just merely pointed at one another. This defeats attack by skeptics and helps validate the evidence. After evidence has been acquired, I would take everything to specialists in the field to validate against tampering. I would repeat this method and the same place again and again, and if I was successful multiple times, then I would move onto another location and repeat the processes.
The original experiment posited would, in fact, not stand up to peer-review. It allows for a number of variables, including human error, no controls, and outside tampering, among others, and relies on the ASSUMPTION that ghosts can be caught on camera and other scientific information. Any ideas on what experiment might actually stand up to peer-review. It MUST have controls, reasonably eliminate human error, and provide reliable, reproducible, rigorously-obtained scientific evidence.
Infrasound refers to extreme bass waves or vibrations, those with a frequency below the audibility range of the human ear (20 Hz to 22 kHz). Even though these waves can't be heard by us, they can be felt and have been shown to produce a range of effects in some people including anxiety, extreme sorrow, and chills. "Loud infrasound in the range of 0.5 to 10 Hz is sufficient to activate the vestibular, or balance system, in the inner ear."* Psychologist Richard Wiseman of the University of Hertfordshire thinks that the odd sensations that people attribute to ghosts may be caused by infrasonic vibrations.* He is not alone.
When he measured the infrasound in the laboratory, the showing was 18.98 hertz--the exact frequency at which a human eyeball starts resonating. The sound waves made his eyeballs resonate and produced an optical illusion: He saw a figure that didn't exist.
Infrasonic waves can carry over long distances and are less susceptible to disturbance or interference than higher frequencies. Infrasound may be produced by wind, by some types of earthquakes, by ocean waves, and by such things as avalanches, volcanoes, and meteors.* Elephants have the ability to emit infrasound that can be detected at a distance of 2 km. Even tigers emit infrasound.*
Excellent opening statements from both debaters. Skyfloating came out strong with really tough jabs towards his adversary but Druid42 strategically and brilliantly positioned himself not only to counter them but supplied statistics that are really worth thinking about. This Round is a tie.
While Skyfloating came out with tough jabs in the first round, the second round sees this debater coming out with full direct uppercuts. It worked, as Druid42 shows weakness in his rebuttal, concentrating on his personal views rather than on the subject itself. This round is Skyfloating’s all the way.
Both closing statements are good reads. Skyfloating strengthens his position while Druid42 links to two possibilities that would explain certain ghost beliefs. I say certain beliefs as Druid42 has ignored most of the other aspects raised by his opponent. By doing so, therefore, this final round is Skyfloating’s.
Skyfloating wins this debate.
Skyfloating though I thought would not be able to hold their own basing it solely on how many people and different denominations actually believe in ghosts, I saw how early on, using both the aspect of how it has been used over thousands of years and globally, and awaiting Druid 42 to try to write that off, was brilliant.
So many things could have brought a possible different outcome, as Druid possibly further explaining the difference in the perceptions of "ghosts" that those global denominations actually perceive, and the differences on how they use them in their culture that could have broadened the spectrum,and could have ran with it from there.
Also the open window that was left for Druid42 concerning many of the different points Druid brought up scientifically, He could have used many things such as frequencies and different areas globally that can cause possible apparitions, and things to be seen, due to grids, elevations, medicinal uses, etc.
So in essence I choose Skyfloating.