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posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 07:11 AM
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Originally posted by Deetermined
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You're going to have to elaborate on this answer in order for me to understand what you're talking about.

We know there's going to be delusion in the end times, but I don't know what that has to do with resurrection.


The entire Bible presents a story that introduces us to the end of the age and the events that will lead up to this age. The central event is the Day of the Lord, or the day when Christ presents himself to the world as fact. This is called the consummation of the Earth. A consummation is a marriage. This is the marriage supper of the lamb to be exact. The events in Genesis, like all other Bible passages, present a picture and foreshadowing of these events hidden in a veiled and interrelated context of symbols and allusions. Specifically, the passages in Genesis outline the story of Joseph and the events of the departure from Egypt. Egypt is Earth. Deuteronomy then describe the entrance into the promised land (New Earth). It is our instructions for the second time around and the 8th day of creation by the present calendar, or the new day and age after the next 1000 years of existence.

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posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 07:18 AM
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It is our instructions for the second time around and the 8th day of creation by the present calendar. The new day and age after the next 1000 years of existence.


I need you to elaborate more on this one too.

Second time around? Are you talking about life during the Millennium? Life in the "New Jerusalem? What?



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 09:41 AM
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Hosea 6:2, "After two days he will revive us, On the third day He will raise us up."


Personally, I believe you ruined your own theory when you quoted 2 Peter 3:8 (a day to the Lord is like a thousand years), used it as being symbolic for the seven days of creation (total of 7,000 years), and then turned around and tried to apply it again by then substituting every day equaling 2,000 years to make the above verse fit.

Personally, I believe the two days equals the 2,000 years of the church age and the third day will be the Millennium where people are resurrected (for the FIRST time) in order to live with Christ while he reigns from Jerusalem.

As for Revelation 1:7, all will see him (even those who pierced him) because the Lord will be bringing them up out of their graves, refining them with fire, and then putting them in the land to live out the promise in the promised land, the Millennium period.

No, I do not believe that the cloud that Jesus returns in is something evil. There is plenty of mention in the Bible of clouds that is NOT symbolic of anything evil. If anything, it was a cloud that led the Israelites out of Egypt and it will be a cloud that leads them into the Millennium. God was represented as a cloud several times throughout the Old Testament.

As for Matthew 3:7-10, the Pharisees are being told that being a descendant of Abraham means nothing if you don't live like Abraham did. If you don't produce good fruit, you will not be entering into the promised land. As for the "stones" mentioned. The Pharisees are being told that God is perfectly capable of lifting up the Gentiles too and making them children of God, even without being a descendant of Abraham. There is NOTHING in these verses that represent some kind of reincarnation.

As for Matthew 3:11, John is stating that he was only able to baptize with water, but through Jesus, all would be baptized with the Holy Spirit in order to be thoroughly cleansed from sin as well as providing them with faith (the knowledge of Jesus as the Son of God). Remember, the Holy Spirit works as a WITNESS to Christ, and without it, people won't recognize who Christ was.

As for Matthew 3:12, Jesus will be weeding out the wheat from the chaff here on earth, place the wheat in the barn (wherever he places them in order to shield them from the Anti-Christ and natural disasters) and burn the rest (I would assume through the battle of Armageddon). Once again, nothing speaking of this being reincarnated souls here on earth.



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 01:44 PM
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Personally, I believe the two days equals the 2,000 years of the church age and the third day will be the Millennium where people are resurrected (for the FIRST time) in order to live with Christ while he reigns from Jerusalem


I agree, the third day he raises us up is Resurrection Day, when our spirits get uploaded into angelic bodies but the second coming of Christ is not the first resurrection. The first resurrection took place 2000 years ago, those who were faithful and believed the Savior would come were raised up with him and that was the first harvest, the firstfruits and it was recorded in Jerusalem that day that those who were dead were seen walking the streets and talking to their relatives and decendants. The Second Coming of Christ is the second resurrection.

Also the Church has been present for more than 2000 years, the Menorah symbolises the Church. The Church has always been the faithful remnants of God throughout the ages and when Elijah despaired because he thought he was one of the only faithful left God told him there were 7000 who did not bend knee to Ba'al.

I think the 144k are they who were resurrected when Jesus rose from the grave, 12,000 from each tribe. The least shall be the greatest and everyone overlooks those who were risen with him 2000 years ago and tries to supplant the 144k with us or some jews. Not just that but the parble of the cultivated olive tree and the wild olive tree branches suggests that there was already an established church before the gentiles were included in and that is the case because we do not get the message until Paul grew frustrated with the jews for continually rejecting Jesus and gave it to the gentiles who were hungering for the word.
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posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by Deetermined
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It is our instructions for the second time around and the 8th day of creation by the present calendar. The new day and age after the next 1000 years of existence.


I need you to elaborate more on this one too.

Second time around? Are you talking about life during the Millennium? Life in the "New Jerusalem? What?


The last six thousand years is the last six days. We are entering the sabbath rest of 1000 years before the next week of creation. The new Jerusalem is part of the next step. Sin is an everpresent reality that must exist for there to be free will. The law is there to govern thieves and was a guardian and teacher.

Galatians 3

23 Before the coming of this faith,[j] we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

After the 1000 years of peace, men will live according to one law. Give and receive only. This is love--the fulfillment of the law. Faith in God as our sovereign LORD is the point of finding love. His will is for us to give and receive only and never take.



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 04:15 PM
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Personally, I believe you ruined your own theory when you quoted 2 Peter 3:8 (a day to the Lord is like a thousand years), used it as being symbolic for the seven days of creation (total of 7,000 years), and then turned around and tried to apply it again by then substituting every day equaling 2,000 years to make the above verse fit.


You read it wrong. Each day is 1000 years. Christ died at the end of 4 days. There have been two more since then. The last day is the day of the Lord, or 1000 years of rest.

Epistle of Barnabas 15:4

Give heed, children, what this meaneth; He ended in six days. He meaneth this, that in six thousand years the Lord shall bring all things to an end; for the day with Him signifyeth a thousand years; and this He himself beareth me witness, saying; Behold, the day of the Lord shall be as a thousand years. Therefore, children, in six days, that is in six thousand years, everything shall come to an end."

-Adam to Abraham 2000 Years of Age 1 (FATHER)
-Abraham to Jesus 2000 Years of Age 2 (SON)
-Jesus to Today 2000 Years of Age 3 (HOLY SPIRIT)
-Day of Rest (Day of the Lord) 1000 years (SALVATION)

There are seven days listed. Each age is 2 days.



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 04:17 PM
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No, I do not believe that the cloud that Jesus returns in is something evil. There is plenty of mention in the Bible of clouds that is NOT symbolic of anything evil. If anything, it was a cloud that led the Israelites out of Egypt and it will be a cloud that leads them into the Millennium. God was represented as a cloud several times throughout the Old Testament.



The clouds are symbolic of the veil that covers us. It also represents the evil that covers the land. Christ comes in OUR evil, not his. He comes in our confusion and lack of understanding, which is exactly what He then clears up by revealing all things.



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 04:20 PM
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There is NOTHING in these verses that represent some kind of reincarnation.


All symbols in the Bible have root meanings. Baptism is the immersion of the soul to rise to new life. Resurrection is the same world. So is the sentence, "You must be born again." It is obvious, yet has been hidden for all this time from our minds. For some reason, it is being revealed to me and I simply shine the light.



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 06:35 PM
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Originally posted by EnochWasRight
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There is NOTHING in these verses that represent some kind of reincarnation.


All symbols in the Bible have root meanings. Baptism is the immersion of the soul to rise to new life. Resurrection is the same world. So is the sentence, "You must be born again." It is obvious, yet has been hidden for all this time from our minds. For some reason, it is being revealed to me and I simply shine the light.



Being "born again" is allegorical for your spirit being resurrected, not your body being reincarnated.

John 8:39-47

39 They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.”

Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. 40 But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this. 41 You do the deeds of your father.”

Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”

42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”

This is Jesus telling the pharisees they had to be born again or "born of God", They couldn't "hear" God's words because they were not of God, it's a spiritual application.

Baptism by immersion is a symbol of death and resurrection, but before you can be baptised you first have to believe, or baptism is pointless. It's another prophetic allegory played out in the ceremony of the coming resurrection. Our bodies are dying and must be shed. In reincarnation you lose all that you ever were and your soul has a blank slate, but the blessing of being a believer is that all your works follow you into death and are remembered and when you are resurrected, you lose nothing.

Revelation 14:13

13 Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.’”

“Yes,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, and their works follow them.”


We see from Revelation 14:12 that our good works follow us into death, so nothing we do is forgotten.

So just as your belief comes first and your spirit is resurrected, then comes the baptism's fulfillment and your body will be resurrected.
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posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 09:19 PM
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Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by EnochWasRight
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There is NOTHING in these verses that represent some kind of reincarnation.


All symbols in the Bible have root meanings. Baptism is the immersion of the soul to rise to new life. Resurrection is the same world. So is the sentence, "You must be born again." It is obvious, yet has been hidden for all this time from our minds. For some reason, it is being revealed to me and I simply shine the light.



Being "born again" is allegorical for your spirit being resurrected, not your body being reincarnated.

John 8:39-47

39 They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.”

Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. 40 But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this. 41 You do the deeds of your father.”

Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”

42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”

This is Jesus telling the pharisees they had to be born again or "born of God", They couldn't "hear" God's words because they were not of God, it's a spiritual application.

Baptism by immersion is a symbol of death and resurrection, but before you can be baptised you first have to believe, or baptism is pointless. It's another prophetic allegory played out in the ceremony of the coming resurrection. Our bodies are dying and must be shed. In reincarnation you lose all that you ever were and your soul has a blank slate, but the blessing of being a believer is that all your works follow you into death and are remembered and when you are resurrected, you lose nothing.

Revelation 14:13

13 Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.’”

“Yes,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, and their works follow them.”


We see from Revelation 14:12 that our good works follow us into death, so nothing we do is forgotten.

So just as your belief comes first and your spirit is resurrected, then comes the baptism's fulfillment and your body will be resurrected.
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True, and I should have made it clear that reincarnation is not a good word to reflect resurrection in the true sense. Also, I think we are both right in this. Of course, being born again is the process to reach the spirit. We must be baptized into five domains: Earth, Air, Water and Fire to reach Spirit as the crown. But, what does Jesus say in John 3?

5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You[c] must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”[d]

As with all truth, it's never this or that exclusively. It is this and that, but restricted to the context that narrows the both to a higher truth. The restriction in this case is belief and love. Faith makes it possible for us to see and love God. The two become one and rise. This is the miracle of all things in this reality. We must combine two to get the third. Water and Spirit are not divisions. The are the process from one to the other.

SIDE NOTE: There is yet another thread topic in this that is profound and I just now see it. Spirit (God's) is what gives birth to our new Spirit above from the water below. That is profound! For me, the resurrection is the necessity from the words, "You must be born again." Yes. We must be born of both water and Spirit. WOW!

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posted on Oct, 28 2012 @ 04:57 AM
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Hi Enoch

I'm not opposed to the idea that 7 billion people on this planet represent the resurrection for the number 7 signifies completion. We see that a great earthquake raised the dead saints at Christ's death. Jesus also told us that 'earthquakes' would increase before His coming, and it would not be a stretch to think that resurrections are happening along with these. However, I am beginning to be led to understand that we have been living in the Millennium for the past 2,000 years, with Christ Jesus as King sitting on the throne of David. 

Jesus is already King of Kings per Revelation 1:5

 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth (ges - properly the physical earth). To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, Revelation 1:5


His kingdom was "at hand" and "near" when He preached 2,000 years ago, and upon glorification, He sat down next to the Father.


"Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ." Acts 2:36


Jesus was made King of Kings and Lord of Lords. He has been reigning since He was glorified, in which case, we have been living in the Millennium all along subject to this reign. It has allowed the opportunity of salvation in this wicked world through the earthly reign of His saints on Earth. This reign has kept the laws's wrath at bay. 


....giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in the kingdom of light. For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves,in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Colossians 1:12-14


Beheaded in Revelation 20.... 

Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. 1 Corinthians 11:3

If Christ Jesus is your head, are you not "beheaded" already? Why does Satan, who has been released from his chains in these last days of the Millennium, need us to believe in the guillotines? Because it furthers the deceit that the Millennium is to come in the future and obscures the knowledge that Christ Jesus has been King of Kings and Lord of Lords since He was glorified. I'm not ruling out that guillotines won't be physically used during these last years, but it has nothing to do with the "beheaded" of Revelation 20.


They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

These are the "sons" that have been like Daniel in Babylon, holding high places in the world's government of men - our "70 year" physical captivity in physical Babylon whilst spiritually in the Kingdom of God. Daniel saw God's Kingdom being set up during the four kingdoms


In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever. This is the meaning of the vision of the rock cut out of a mountain, but not by human hands—a rock that broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold to pieces. Daniel 2:44-45


In this past century, Satan has been unbound to once again deceive the nations. Technology and weapons of mass destruction sit ready to annihilate the world in one hour. Two world wars with a third just on the horizon. The descendants of Christian forefathers abandoning the God of their forefathers in favour of eastern spirituality and paganism because their very own "teachers and leaders" are stirring them up, just as in Christ's day, to reject their Saviour. Christians accepting false gospels for the very same reason.

Your premise of 7 billion representing the resurrected does hold some merit, and I am in prayer about the subject. But the Spirit is leading me to understand that the Millennium is nearly over, in which case, the white throne judgement is directly ahead. In which case (if valid), everyone is being resurrected - those who have done good and those who have done wickedly.....just some thoughts as to why I feel that your premise fits better if we are at the end of the Millennium. Would love to hear your further thoughts on this.



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 07:15 AM
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The first resurrection took place 2000 years ago, those who were faithful and believed the Savior would come were raised up with him and that was the first harvest, the firstfruits and it was recorded in Jerusalem that day that those who were dead were seen walking the streets and talking to their relatives and decendants. The Second Coming of Christ is the second resurrection.


If that's the case, then the mark of the beast has already come and gone, according to scripture.

Revelation 20:1-6

20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 07:38 AM
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But the Spirit is leading me to understand that the Millennium is nearly over, in which case, the white throne judgement is directly ahead.


Except the Bible tells us that the Millennium will be a time of peace where Satan is not allowed to deceive the nations any longer and the Jews will know who their Lord is.

This has not happened yet.



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 08:47 AM
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If that's the case, then the mark of the beast has already come and gone, according to scripture.


That isn't necessarily true. Prophecies are not in order, they are jumbled up. Thats part of why we needed a Helper, we don't understand those things on our own.

Take for instance Daniel 11:36-39, this is referring to the 2 state deal the Vatican has been brokering, in trying to create a palestinian state. We already know the Pope doesn't regard the God of our fathers, in his symbolism, golden throne between 2 cherubim pimped out in stolen gold and jewels from Conquistador conquests. Some of Daniel 11 happens during the Maccabeean revolt, some of it happens during Antiochus IV's reign and some of it happens during our time. The land will be divided for a price. What price? The temple artifacts Titus took, the Altar of Incense, the Ark of the Covenant, the Menorah and the table of showbread, all of it recorded in Rome of the arch of Titus. The Vatican has the Ark.



Even the prophecy Jesus gave warning about the destruction of Jerusalem, and the defiling of the temple by the abomination of desolation happened 2000 years ago as Josephus recoreded that when the Roman's captured the temple they sacrificed to the idols of their gods in the temple. However this prophecy happens twice, and i suspect it's not the only one that happens twice. I've had revelations on many things and one of them is that history is repeating itself. If you take a look at Israel from Moses to Jesus everything that befell Israel befell us, right down to the idolatry and apostacy. Israel split into 2 kingdoms because of Solomon's idolatry (queen of heaven Ahtoreth and Moloch worship). The Church split into 2 churches protestant and catholic/eastern orthodox (only difference betwen the EOC and RCC is the OEC doesn't recognize the Pope) because of Mary worship (queen of heaven "Mary" worship). When Jesus arrived 2000 years ago he found Israel in the state of the lukewarm church Laodicia, hot mixed with cold and when he returns he will find Laodicea again in the modern church, again with hot mixed in with cold. We're mirroring Israel in every way and just as God judged the wicked of Israel and rewarded the faithful, so too shall he do the same with us.

Jesus also said the end would be as the days of Noah, and you can go into the book of Jasher to read what that was like during the Antediluvian Age which also indicates history is repeating itself.
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posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 10:40 AM
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Revived from the Dead - All of us are the Resurrection,
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I will go this far into the bizarre and improbable.

When we look at the galaxies billions of light years away, what we are seeing is only the light emitted from those galaxies. And, those galaxies aren't there any more.

If our telescopes were more powerful we would then be able to see planets orbiting around the suns in those galaxies. With even more powerful telescopes we could focus on one planet and we might see living creatures going about their business, even though they are long dead.

Here's the thing: How do we know that WE aren't long dead, and our images are merely traveling in the light emitted from a galaxy that isn't there anymore? We could be like a movie being constantly replayed as long as the light from our galaxy keeps traversing the universe.

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posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 12:05 PM
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Revived from the Dead - All of us are the Resurrection,
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I will go this far into the bizarre and improbable.

When we look at the galaxies billions of light years away, what we are seeing is only the light emitted from those galaxies. And, those galaxies aren't there any more.

If our telescopes were more powerful we would then be able to see planets orbiting around the suns in those galaxies. With even more powerful telescopes we could focus on one planet and we might see living creatures going about their business, even though they are long dead.

Here's the thing: How do we know that WE aren't long dead, and our images are merely traveling in the light emitted from a galaxy that isn't there anymore? We could be like a movie being constantly replayed as long as the light from our galaxy keeps traversing the universe.

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We are looking at this the wrong way and always have been. It's collapsing wave function and we are only looking at WORD (Information). We are observers collapsing the wave. This is precisely what a computer does when it draws out a memory location from the hard drive so your character can have an environment to engage the user.

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

The Bible explains the entire thing one parable at a time, starting with the fundamental aspect of what we experience as reality.

Genesis 1:1-3
In the Beginning (Time), God created the heavens (Space) and the earth (Matter). Let there be light (Energy).



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 04:32 PM
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We are observers collapsing the wave.


Once again, observers do not collapse the wave. It's some kind of lensing effect that can be brought on by mindless recording devices. Our spirit, intelligence, or consciousness has nothing to do with this weirdness.

From: Quora


One example of a measurement with an associated set of states is a camera measuring the position of a single photon. This photon has a broad wave-function that is spread across the entire CCD inside the camera, but the photon will only be measured at a single pixel out of thousands. "Pixel position" is the set of states for the measurement of the quantity "position". If this measurement was repeated many thousands of times with identical photons, we would create a picture on our camera of the broad single-photon wave-function. However a single measurement must "collapse" this wave-function onto as single state in the measurement basis, in this case the position of a single pixel in the camera.



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 09:57 PM
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We are observers collapsing the wave.


Once again, observers do not collapse the wave. It's some kind of lensing effect that can be brought on by mindless recording devices. Our spirit, intelligence, or consciousness has nothing to do with this weirdness.

From: Quora


One example of a measurement with an associated set of states is a camera measuring the position of a single photon. This photon has a broad wave-function that is spread across the entire CCD inside the camera, but the photon will only be measured at a single pixel out of thousands. "Pixel position" is the set of states for the measurement of the quantity "position". If this measurement was repeated many thousands of times with identical photons, we would create a picture on our camera of the broad single-photon wave-function. However a single measurement must "collapse" this wave-function onto as single state in the measurement basis, in this case the position of a single pixel in the camera.


The human agent must be part of the dynamics.




posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 11:35 PM
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I hope you noticed how this man struggled to find the right words to explain what he was talking about. This is because when it comes to the level of understanding of the quantum universe, our knowledge is the equivalent of when people believed the earth was flat.

So, what the guy in this clip is doing (what all quantum physicists are doing) is trying to explain what CAN'T be explained yet.

The following article is too lengthy, but several times it clearly separates the idea of 'human observer' from a mindless measuring apparatus. So, I'll just quote this one line:

Measurement in quantum mechanics

in which the states \scriptstyle |\chi_n\rang of the object are determined by specific properties of the interaction between object and measuring instrument.


It is the act of measuring in the quantum world that collapses a wave, and NOT human interaction.





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