Horses and Bayonets............. the difference between Obama and Romney..

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posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 04:21 AM
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Just wanted to put a new thread out there with this attached clip....

www.bbc.co.uk...

It is a couple of minutes from the third debate which really IMHO shows the difference between these two guys.......

Romney goes for a nationalist point score, discussing reduced ships in the Navy and appeals to those whom think military strength is a numbers game, whilst Obama explains the need for intelligent use of resources and technology..... the Difference which is vitallly important if the West is to retain it's ''advantage''......

Twit Romney.... a real danger to America and the World.......

Regards

PDUK
edit on 23-10-2012 by PurpleDog UK because: spelling - as usual




posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 04:31 AM
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The global community seems to favor Obama.

In my opinion, a world where Mitt Romney has power is a much more dangerous world. He would push for a war with Iran and would support Israel at all costs.

How many times did he bring up Israel? It was as if he was running for the presidency of Israel



posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 04:35 AM
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Actually their foreign policy isnt much different.

Obama has continued all of Bush's wars having only "exited Iraq" because its an election year (the US is still very much there and never leaving). He then expanded Afghanistan, attacked Libya, increased attacks on Pakistan and placed sanctions on Iran, a precursor to yet another war.

He has increased military spending, continues foreign welfare and is building more US military bases overseas.

Hard to imagine that Romney might be even more aggressive. Is it even possible?

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posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 04:48 AM
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contained within your OP dismissive is the Romney ploy of projecting power that can be seen by the world...

as opposed to the stealthy and cunning of the Øbama scheme of sending murder & assassination Drones into other nation's sovereign airspace and murdering targets-of-interest and their families
(which are daily 'signed-off-on' by the covert missions of Øbama)

yes there is a difference (bad & worse)....both these sociopaths are unelectable
edit on 23-10-2012 by St Udio because: emphasis bold type



posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 04:50 AM
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Haha yeah he really shot himself in the foot in this debate. He does well when he's appealing to people's anger over the economy by making vague promises, but when it comes to foreign policy he has no idea what he's talking about.

He actually attempted to criticize Obama for meeting with foreign leaders during his first year.



On another note, are ATS republicans at all worried that while governor, Romney was pro-choice, supported gay rights and came up with statewide healthcare? Sounds like a liberal socialist to me



posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 05:10 AM
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Below is a list of Mitt Romney’s foreign policy advisers complete with lists to many, but not all, of their groups, organizations, and affiliations that should be the focus of much concern.

Cofer Black; torture architect; Blackwater; Central Intelligence Agency; Department of State Coordinator for Counter-terrorism; Total Intelligence Solutions; CIA case officer in Zambia during the Rhodesian Bush War and Somalia during the Ethiopian/Somalian conflict; CIA officer in South Africa during the conflict between South African government and “anti-apartheid militias;” CIA officer in Zaire where he helped armed “anti-communist guerrillas” in Angola; CIA Station Chief in Sudan in 1993, the same time Osama bin Laden was allegedly located there; CIA agent in Afghanistan in 1998, at the same time Osama bin Laden was allegedly there; CIA Task Force Chief in the Near East and South Asia Division; Deputy Chief of the CIA Latin America Division; Director of the Counter Terrorism Center (position held on 9/11); well-known for having withheld important information regarding the alleged 9/11 hijackers; Department of State’s Ambassador At Large;

Christopher Burnham; Bush era appointee; Deustche Bank;

Michael Chertoff; Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security; legally advised in favor of torture, body scanner beneficiary; Co-author of PATRIOT ACT; Covington and Burling;Chertoff Group; Institute For Cultural Diplomacy; Latham and Watkins; active in Whitewater Investigation; Assistant Attorney General;

Eliot Cohen; Project for A New American Century; Committee For the Liberation of Iraq; Zionist; Iran war supporter; Council on Foreign Relations; Trilateral Commission; Defense Policy Board; American Enterprise Institute; Aspen Institute; Praeger Security International;

Norm Coleman; Republican-Jewish Coaltion; Freemason; Iraq war supporter; American Action Network; Israel Project; National Endowment For Democracy; Republican Main Street Project; Ripon Society;

John Danilovich; Knight of Malta; Council on Foreign Relations; Globalization and “Free Trade” promoter as member of the Initiative For Global Development; Millennium Challenge Corporation; .

Paula Dobriansky; Council on Foreign Relations; Climate Change promoter; Trilateral Commission; Institute For Cultural Diplomacy; Belfer Center For Science and International Affairs;Bipartisan Policy Center; Freedom House; Hungary’s International Center for Democratic Transitions; Australia-American Dialogue; National Endowment for Democracy; American Council of Young Political Leaders;

Eric Edelman; Iran war proponent; Iraq war proponent; Foreign Policy Initiative; Center For Strategic and Budgetary Assessments; Council on Foreign Relations; Philip Merrill Center for Strategic Studies;

Michael Hayden; Former CIA Director, Former Director of the NSA (where he oversaw domestic wiretapping), Former Director of National Intelligence, Former Commander of the Air Intelligence Agency, Proponent of the Trailblazer Project, Former Director of the Joint Command and Control Warfare Center, Torture proponent, argued against Probable Cause, Council on Foreign Relations, principal at the Chertoff Group, Board of Directors of Motorola Services,

Kerry Healey; Council on Foreign Relations, State Department’s Executive Committee of the Public-Private Partnership for Justice Reform in Afghanistan (founded by Condoleeza Rice)

Kim Holmes; Council on Foreign Relations, Vice President of Foreign and Defense Policy Studies at the Heritage Foundation, Institute for International Strategic Studies.

Robert Joseph; U.S. Chief Negotiator to Libya in 2003 (regarding nuclear weapons), National Institute for Public Policy (NeoCon Think Tank), Center For Security Policy (Pro-Israel Think Tank); Rumored to have been responsible for the Iraq-WMD-Niger claims circulated by the Bush Administration.

Robert Kagan; Brookings Institution; Project For A New American Century; Carnegie Endowment for International Peace; Foreign Policy Initiative; Council on Foreign Relations; political advisor to John McCain; Serves on Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s Foreign Affairs Policy Board; Trilateral Commission; Committee for the Liberation of Iraq; Skull and Bones; US Committee on NATO; Henry Jackson Society;

John Lehman; member of the 9/11 Commission; Foreign Policy Research Institute; Project For A New American Century; National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon The United States; Heritage Foundation; Center For Security Policy; Committee on the Present Danger; J.F. Lehman and Company; Hawaii Superferry; Princess Grace Foundation – USA; Ball Corporation; Partnership For A Secure America; Council on Foreign Relations; Staff member to Henry Kissinger at the National Security Agency; Securing America’s Energy Future;Straight Talk America; Paine Webber;

Walid Phares, Foundation for Defense of Democracies; European Foundation for Democracy; Trans-Atlantic Parliamentary Group on Counter Jihadi-Terrorism; Wikis



posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 05:12 AM
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And, what is interesting about some of the folks listed above, is their dual allegiance to another country.



Dov Zakheim - (Israeli Dual Citizen)
Robert Kagan - (Israeli Dual Citizen)
Michael Chertoff – (Israeli Dual Citizen)
Eliot Cohen – (Israeli Dual Citizen)
Eric Edelman – (Israeli Dual Citizen)
John Lehman – (Israeli Dual Citizen)
Evan Feigenbaum – (Israeli Dual Citizen)
Aaron Friedberg – (Israeli Dual Citizen)
Kent Lucken – (Israeli Dual Citizen)
Kristen Silverberg – (Israeli Dual Ctizen)



posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 05:16 AM
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There are some bad guys in there herenow. Remember The Roman empire and think forward quickely to today. The more things appear to change the more they stay the same. You have done your part to help inform people but remember you are under no obligation to make people to think and seek out the truth themselves. Its not your crusade alone and no need to go further with this.



posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 05:40 AM
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Muse7

I think if you read ATS member ' herenow' and the list of advisors for Romney then that is quite strongly biased in one direction...........

Is that list correct........... that seems extreme if it is..??

Surely when you build a team, you select a cross section whom bring to the table a range of strengths and experience...not just one specific group.....

PDUK
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posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 05:44 AM
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Originally posted by PurpleDog UK

IMHO shows the difference between these two guys.......



As long as people continue to believe this about the puppets they're presented with at elections, nothing will ever change.



posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 05:45 AM
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Obama made that IGNORANT comment that our naval ships are in the same defunct category as bayonets and horses. I can't believe this idiot is our Commander in Chief. I hope the entire US Navy was listening as well as all the shipyards in Virginia.

:shk:



posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 05:51 AM
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galdtobehere....

you are right....... the current incumbent inhereted and maintained American military actions globally BUT it would have been hard not to...... the whole withdrawl immeadiately from ALL conflicts would through the world into even greater issues and possible danger............ it is this fact that Republicans and maybe Americans in general need to realise when thinking about ''tackling'' future countries...........

you cant just skip in and skip out of any country ....... intervening in another soveriegn country is a decision not to be made lightly because it affects so many outside the poliitical world.......

I just think that cshort video highlights a difference in thinking and speaking .

Regards
PDUK



posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 05:54 AM
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Obama made that IGNORANT comment that our naval ships are in the same defunct category as bayonets and horses. I can't believe this idiot is our Commander in Chief. I hope the entire US Navy was listening as well as all the shipyards in Virginia.


They love using simple speak cause they see us citizens as kids and they are the teachers. I empathize with your frustration, the whole thing on political debates is that they can become surreal to the point you wonder...and wonder



posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 05:54 AM
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Originally posted by khimbar

Originally posted by PurpleDog UK

IMHO shows the difference between these two guys.......



As long as people continue to believe this about the puppets they're presented with at elections, nothing will ever change.


I completely agree Khimbar

The American media seems completely intent with givign air-time to just two candidates when there are at least a couple more nationally who deserve to be heard....... I think the media outlets have their instructions not to upset the apple cart and the American people on the whole are happy to watch a two horse ''them or us'' race because they might have to think a little harder if there was more of a choice..



posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 05:56 AM
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Originally posted by AthlonSavage
reply to post by herenow
 


There are some bad guys in there herenow. Remember The Roman empire and think forward quickely to today. The more things appear to change the more they stay the same. You have done your part to help inform people but remember you are under no obligation to make people to think and seek out the truth themselves. Its not your crusade alone and no need to go further with this.


AthlonSavage

Is your comment above an instruction or threat.......?

I'm curious on your use of the word 'crusade'.........

PDUK



posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 06:00 AM
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Originally posted by Hawking
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On another note, are ATS republicans at all worried that while governor, Romney was pro-choice, supported gay rights and came up with statewide healthcare? Sounds like a liberal socialist to me


I actually have spent some time discussing that with friends. Especially before Romney got the nomination.
I can't stand the guy but I don't see him as being a worse alternative to Obama.
I see him as slightly less disastrous than Obama.



posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 06:00 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
Obama made that IGNORANT comment that our naval ships are in the same defunct category as bayonets and horses. I can't believe this idiot is our Commander in Chief. I hope the entire US Navy was listening as well as all the shipyards in Virginia.

:shk:


FlyersFlan

ask yourself a question............ is that what he really said or is that what you want to hear....?

Your interpretation of that comment is so clouded by political bias (on your part) that you were not really listening to the message.......

I actually think you in the good ole USofA need to divorse yourselves of the completely out-dated and redundant two party mentality and try to embrace real democracey........... which believe it or not means you have to try and listen to both viewpoints........ not just make crass comments like your comment above......

PDUK



posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 06:02 AM
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Is your comment above an instruction or threat.......?

I'm curious on your use of the word 'crusade'.........

PDUK



Not a threat in anyway. Just reminding the poster that they have made their contribution and have no obligations to the rest of us. The post reminded me of some one else today talking on this exact idea of exposing names. My concern and care for her got reflected into the post.

If it was her uing a different name poster, id be angry....oh...but thats concern...not evil or threat.


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posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 06:05 AM
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His point was that warfare changes over the years...and the tools of war will change with it out of necessity. Obama could say America is the greatest nation on Earth and you would find a reason to be outraged over it


You sound just like the people who made a big deal out of "binders of women." It's a non-issue
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posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 06:09 AM
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Originally posted by PurpleDog UK
ask yourself a question............ is that what he really said or is that what you want to hear....?

It's what he said.

Your interpretation of that comment is so clouded by political bias (on your part) that you were not really listening to the message.......

Bias? Riiiiiiiiiiight. 'Cuz I just Luv Romney so much. NOT! Obama's message was clear .. he thinks of the US Naval ships much the same as he thinks of horses and bayonets .. not really needed. It was ignorant of him and it was a slap in the face of our US Military.

Seriously .. some people here are a real hoot. They assume that because a person sees a fault with one candidate that they must be head over heals for the other one. Not that it's any of your business, but I already voted absentee and I voted LIBERTARIAN.


not just make crass comments like your comment above......

Crass? You obviously have no clue what the word 'crass' means. :shk: I stated the TRUTH. The intent of what he said was that the US Navy didn't need to be strong. He dustbin'd it with horses and bayonets. It was an awful thing for the Commander and Chief to say. And it was pretty damn ignorant.






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