Earthquake-Causing Fracking to Be Allowed within 500 FEET of Nuclear Plants

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posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 11:13 PM
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a little gem for you to make you feel less bad about your Great Lakes theory:

EDGAR CAYCE predicted Gulf oil spill activating Madrid earthquake & destroying 1/2 of USA down the Mississippi
Saturday, June 12, 2010 18:20


I feel bad posting this but here (GO AHEAD AND LAUGH! XD ):

As the Great Lakes, at 600 feet above sealevel, rushes down the Mississippi River. at least 50 miles on each side, the 600 foot wave will destroy much of America, right down the middle. All due to the oil spill event. After the oil dumps billions of gallons of oil, then the ice cold water will enter the crevice, where it is 400 degrees, and cause an explosion, and the mother of all tsunanmi waves, which will wipe out the Gulf States, including Florida. THEN the Madrid faultline will blow, Goodbye, Chicago and Saint Louis, and all the other cities in its path. There will be no time to evacuate, and it will be impossible to try to outrun the rushing water from the TWO catastrophes.

Another earthquake along the New Madrid fault could cause a tsunami-like flood that would devastate the cities along the Mississippi River. Edgar Cayce actually prophesied a two-stage Midwest flood in which the Great Lakes would overflow into the Mississippi and a great watery divide would split the USA down the middle. The Mississippi River would then become the Great Midwest Strait.


I am not sure if I believe it, but dang, 600 feet above sea level... guess Niagara falls is there for a reason other than people jumping/barrelling down




posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 11:26 PM
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That's pretty fracked up...



posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 03:07 AM
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Originally posted by Sablicious
That's pretty fracked up...


FYI



US may soon become world's top oil producer
By JONATHAN FAHEY | Associated Press – 11 hrs ago

NEW YORK (AP) — U.S. oil output is surging so fast that the United States could soon overtake Saudi Arabia as the world's biggest producer.

Driven by high prices and new drilling methods, U.S. production of crude and other liquid hydrocarbons is on track to rise 7 percent this year to an average of 10.9 million barrels per day. This will be the fourth straight year of crude increases and the biggest single-year gain since 1951.
The boom has surprised even the experts.

"Five years ago, if I or anyone had predicted today's production growth, people would have thought we were crazy," says Jim Burkhard, head of oil markets research at IHS CERA, an energy consulting firm.




What the Frack indeed!



posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 03:43 AM
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Another great thread PuterMan. Its threads like this that help me collect the knowledge I need to get ready to make my new vids, keep up the good work.



posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 06:22 AM
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One mile = 5280 feet or 1760 yards here in the US. Just clarifying.




posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 06:22 AM
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All I can say, living in the West Texas Oil Fields for most of my life, is that FRACKING gets the job done. I have yet to see any hard tangible proof that FRACKING causes earthquakes. All I have seen so far is a "liberal" view of possibilities but no proof to back it up or support it.


Indeed fracking does get the job done, no one is denying that. If by "liberal" you are referring to people with a certain political viewpoint then all I can say is I see no political references in the data that shows me that the authors are "liberals"

From Texas - The University at Austin.


Most earthquakes in the Barnett Shale region of North Texas occur within a few miles of one or more injection wells used to dispose of wastes associated with petroleum production such as hydraulic fracturing fluids, according to new research from The University of Texas at Austin. None of the quakes identified in the two-year study were strong enough to pose a danger to the public.


Source

Fracking Earthquakes: Injection Practice Linked to Scores of Tremors

Unusual Dallas Earthquakes Linked to Fracking, Expert Says - this looks like it is an update to the first.

Fracking Tied to Unusual Rise in Earthquakes in U.S.

Researchers from the U.S. Geological Survey said that for the three decades until 2000, seismic events in the nation’s midsection averaged 21 a year. They jumped to 50 in 2009, 87 in 2010 and 134 in 2011.


I am not sure if these people are liberals or not, but really it is sort of irrelevant as the facts are that fracking, or rather the disposal of waste fracking water in old wells, does cause earthquakes. I rather think that yours or anyone else's political views have very little to do with it.


While I would agree that if you empty a cavern full of oil out of the ground and replace it with nothing, leaves an empty open pocket for the ground to sink into. Backfilling that empty cavern with fluid or solid material would keep it from caving in.


Apparently although you live in one of the major oil producing regions of the world and the place where VERTICAL fracking was invented (in the Barnet shale fields) you seem to have taken very little time to learn about oil and the geological formations in which it occurs.

In the US most of the oil production is from shale fields. This is gas and oil trapped in pervious rock (shale) that can be easily fractured and which is prevented from rising to the surface (as in oil/tar sands) by a layer or layers of impervious rocks above it. There is no cavern. The oil is borne IN the rock.

ETA: Oil can be extracted from shale without fracking. Fracking is used to squeeze the barrel. Just wanted to make that clear. It opens up fields that would otherwise unobtainable or uneconomic.

I offer you a very good site about oil shale in Kimmeridge, Dorset, England. This not an area that is hydraulically fractured, the oil is extracted buy using 'nodding donkeys'. I know this site well and have studied it myself.

Kimmeridge oil shale

The reason I am posting this is because it demonstrates clearly the layers needed for oil shale entrapment.

Oil/gas trapped due to synclines/anticlines (think of sine waves in the rock) may well be in a 'cavern'. Oil/gas trapped due to faulting is similar, but note this is a fault trapping oil and pressure differentials may affect the fault.



Google images for oil in anticline should be the third entry.


Earthquake techtonics are alot different and go very deep into the ground.


Earthquakes occur anywhere between (generally) 0.5km and 70 km. There are much deeper ones of course. Oil/gas fracking wells are between (generally) 3000ft and 25000 ft or around 0.5 to 5 miles deep which is 0.8 to 8 km deep and well within earthquake range.

A little research on a subject goes a long way to preventing yourself from making statements that are patently wrong.

edit on 24/10/2012 by PuterMan because: to add more information



posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 06:32 AM
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Thank you indeed for the response. Some useful information there indeed.


Once again (and I wish I could get this thru to you activists) frac'ing is not what you should be attacking.
If you think it is bad, put a stop to the permitting of disposals.


I would not consider myself an activist. I study the subject but I don't go out blocking sites etc. That is what activists do. But perhaps I can get this through to you, since despite writing it you don't seem to realise what you said.

What do we do with the waste water? I know the fracking does not in itself cause the main earthquake problem, but the injection of waste water does. Since you acknowledge that here there is a problem then the solution has to be to stop the reason for the injection - unless you can come up with another method of disposing of waste frack water which is NOT as you so politely put it, water and sand. Even some of the 'sand' is ceramic beads and I believe also plastic. There is also the matter of the chemical 'brew' that is NOT harmless.

By the way the problem with the fracking part is not the earthquakes but the destruction of the integrity of the impervious layers that protect the aquifers from the trapped gas/oil.



posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 06:36 AM
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Here's the other thing about greed. It is not just corporate greed that drives domestic gas
production. It is everyone's greed. From the top down.


Regrettably in that you are not wrong my friend. (I don't use gas by the way but I have no doubt that the power company producing the electricity does)



posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 06:39 AM
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Whilst I don't subscribe to the Cayce theory or vision, it is a fact that under the US and Canada lies an interconnected layer of shale that mankind is puncturing willy nilly and sooking and blowing and generally messing about with.

Is this a good idea? Well..................



posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 06:42 AM
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yes you are right. Seems the memory is not so good. We have been using kilometres and metres so long now I had forgotten the precise figure. I should have used the internet....................



posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 08:17 AM
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It's like saying: "let's test drive this problem" !!!!!



posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 10:07 AM
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The question that has to be asked is, is the quest for clean renewable energy so urgent that it is worth the potential loss of life and economic damage? The gas company will say yes because there is no risk. The environmentalist will say no because there is a risk. Who is right? Only time will tell, but punching holes under nuclear installations cannot be a good thing.


The irony is there are clean and abundant, renewable and very inexpensive energies, but these are not the ones being used. Fossil fuels are not clean. The only ones we should be extracting are the ones that are filling the air in dangerous ways, like the methane deposits that are unthawing in the arctic.

We have Geothermal, Cold Fusion, Wave/Tide Solar and Wind. Solar Cones spinning produce many more times the output, well they should be everywhere, Most of the world's population is near the oceans.

We have constant energies that can be tapped.



posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 10:28 AM
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Important to know.
Radiation fallout from Fukushima and how to prepare for it as well as future events.



posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 11:34 AM
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posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 02:18 PM
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today for a petition to sign for the Pennsylvania fracking.


I believe that might be better worded "today for a petition to sign against the Pennsylvania fracking. "


I don't have a problem with you linking that and I can't see that the Mods would either.



posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 02:23 PM
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I had never heard of Solar Cones. Thanks for that

More information



posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 10:52 PM
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Fracking doesn't sound like the best idea in the first place. We've barley begun here in the UK and already it has caused several minor earthquakes. I remember the video of some place in the US where the methane content in your drinking water was so high you could set the water a light!!

Add our ageing 50 year old nuclear power plants into the mix and sounds like a perfect storm to me!

All the INCREDIBLE brains on this planet and they can't figure out a more evolved method for energy needs?

The sun produces enough light in a minute to power us for a good while.
You got to wonder is the never cleaner stuff being supressed while the Oil and Gas Cartels squeeze every last possible penny they can out of us?
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posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 11:24 PM
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Did you read about that super-frack gun test thingy that was going to happen near a plant in California?
I thought that was a fairly bad idea too! They are going to test "earthquake worthiness" by DAMAGING the buildings?

LOL lemme find the article:

OFFICIALS MULL SEISMIC TESTS NEAR CALIF NUKE PLANT
By JASON DEAREN
— Oct. 1 1:38 AM EDT
You are here
Home » General news » Officials mull seismic tests near Calif nuke plant


SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Plans to use an array of powerful air cannons in an undersea seismic study near a Central California nuclear power plant have federal and state officials juggling concerns over marine life with public safety.

Pacific Gas & Electric Co. wants to use big air guns to emit strong sound waves into a large, near-shore area that includes parts of marine reserves to make three-dimensional maps of fault zones, some of which were discovered in 2008, near its Diablo Canyon nuclear power plant.

State law mandated that the company conduct extensive seismic studies. After the company decided that it would use the high-energy seismic imaging technology for the study, a state environmental impact analysis found the project was likely to have "unavoidable adverse effects" on marine life and the environment. Biologists, environmental groups and fishermen have opposed using the high-energy air guns, saying the blasts have potential to harm endangered whales, California sea otters and other creatures frequenting these waters.


WHAT THE UNDERWATER FRACK! They are hurting our aquatic brothers @.@



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 02:20 AM
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Whatever we do, however we go about it, our insatiable energy-hunger is biting us in the behind again&again.
It got us forward, but in the same breath, it brings us closer to our own demise.

Sadly ,established powers have nó intention whatsoever to seriously invest in a range of different ways to get at our energy.

It is , basically, left to the individual. There's good&bad in that.
Yes, I have solar cells, 3 kw of them, yet, their production has fouled-up nature too... rocks&hard places.

A revolution is needed. Nót the violent kind, but a revolution in energy production as fundamental as the moment an inventor discovered steam...

At the moment we are only delaying that moment of revolution. We are in some sort of "middle-Time", where even "clean energy"isn't clean.

Still, I am an optimist. Neccessity is the father of invention. We'll get there in time. Only question is, do we have enough "Time"



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 02:42 AM
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The stupidity of companies is unbelievable sometimes. Could you possibly give a link to that article as I would like to investigate further.






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