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FBI creating terrorism plots to thwart, instilling fear in Americans

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posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 11:15 PM
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This is becoming a bit ridiculous.

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How is this justified? Entrapment much? I understand trying to find a eliminate terror cells, but creating them out of thin air? Promoting them, financing them and THEN shutting them down like you're the hero?

Why is your tax money being spent on these programs? Don't the FBI have anything better to do then create terror plots for people to join?


Last Wednesday, a 21-year-old Bangladeshi national, Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis, was arrested and accused of traveling to the U.S. to establish an al Qaeda cell and bomb the Federal Reserve Bank in Lower Manhattan.

Buried beneath the headlines and opening paragraphs of the major news outlet reports, however, is the fact that Nafis would have been unable to execute his plot without substantial assistance from the F.B.I.. Authorities assured several news agencies that “the public was never in danger.”

This case is yet another instance, among hundreds, of federal agencies creating terrorist plots so they can take credit for stopping them, instill fear in Americans and justify the billions of taxpayer dollars spent on wars and “homeland security.” This practice earned the number four rank on the list




Furthermore, there is this little gem ( I have yet to validate the source) that seems to imply that the FBI is further creating these plots in order to make Americans think the FED is in danager.

More from the source up top:


These cases make it clear that the U.S. government is creating terrorism in order to be perceived as thwarting it and scaring the American people into believing there are real terrorists in our country. The motive behind that may be to justify legislation that infringes on civil liberties, huge expenditures on homeland security such as the Transportation Security Administration, surveillance conducted by fusion centers and wars that generate profit for the military-industrial complex. Of course, the most recent case will enable the Federal Reserve to claim it is a terrorist target and request additional security.


I have a hard time looking people who can justify the actions of the 'Anti-Terrorism" industry in the face nowadays.

It's just a bit too clear that, it's in excess and the fat needs to be cut.

ETA: To have a couple of different angles here, let's explore another thought.

Isn't it high time we begin deeply investigating the various 3 letter agencies who are charged with protecting us? We can discuss having freedom of the press and transparency all we want. At the end of the day though, these are the ones who are spreading the "American Values" that Romney likes to talk about.

CIA, FBI, NSA, ICE, DEA etc.. - These agencies have shown gross misconduct and sometimes out right incompetence.

It's even spread as recently to the very people who protect the President. Now that's not a shot at how the President is running things. Regardless of who is doing the job it's pretty terrible all around. Maybe one of the ways to help spark people into action is by uncovering and exposing the illegalities of the one's they trust the most.

~Tenth
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posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 11:19 PM
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Great thread, new information. Judge Napolitano did a great piece on just this topic. It really helps show people what's going on with their precious FBI.

Anything related to the Gov't is probably full of crap and not to be trusted



Judge Napolitano On Government Faking Terror Plots



posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 11:28 PM
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Those have been my thoughts as well, which is that the motive behind their creation of 'terrorists' is to justify their existence and funding. This is apparent when one views the real domestic terror statistics within the US spanning the past decade.

In a post 9/11 America, it's an uncomfortable, and mostly unmentioned fact that "liberation front" activists have far and wide taken the lead in US terrorism.

There's no question about it for me that they are, and have been, entrapping Americans into these arrests more than they have been finding and thwarting genuine, non-informant-inspired attacks.



posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 11:31 PM
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Nothing more probably then DHS infiltration to find a growing need to fight against homegrown terrorism.

If you see something say something.

And if you say something, they may just as well try to include you into their nefarious deeds.



posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 11:34 PM
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Agreed 100%

America has been in the business of creating its own terrorists for a long time.

Whether used overseas to justify invasions and occupations or on US soil to justify the encroaching police state and Nazi tactics used to usurp the American Constitution...America is under attack from within.

Anyone denying this is either ignorant, compliant or cooperative.

Peace



posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 11:47 PM
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I think I preferred the FBI much better when the "Gmen" were for the enforcement of "Gcrimes" and other agencies more properly dedicated to the tasks handled things for the spy vs. spy game crap and all the rest. The FBI is just no damned good at it.

They are college educated, academic smart guys (Which they most definitely are in that respect..a good thing in the right context). They are being sent out to find fundamentalist, religious terrorists. The two mindsets can never meet in even a way close enough to UNDERSTAND each other, as numnerous BAD ending encounters have shown across the past. So it's no wonder to me that they would find blow hard bozos to fund and supply with toys and call terrorists.

They have to justify their very high, very sexy 'anything ya need' type counter-terrorism and national security budgets somehow and the pressure is mounting like never before by the public. Find some terrorists or explain the money. Well.... It looks like they got that message pretty clear and the money part is, as usual, what is protected at whatever effort that requires. :

You know what though? I'll just bet.....if we look really really hard... we can find something ELSE for very educated, college graduates to do with a badge and near God like authority, it would seem. Hmmm.. yes... We don't have to look far...



Whats that? We're getting slapped silly with real crime by REAL criminals and the vast majority get away with it? Hmmm... It might be hard to believe....if it weren't published by The FBI National Crime Clearance Table Data

I'd even say that they ought to have some shame and explaining to do for the billions after 10's of billions they spend...to nab some broke down immigrant they had to supply with everything but the idea itself in most cases.......while Rome figuratively burns and the treasure is stolen right out the side gate as it goes up.



posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 11:57 PM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
I think I preferred the FBI much better when the "Gmen" were for the enforcement of "Gcrimes" and other agencies more properly dedicated to the tasks handled things for the spy vs. spy game crap and all the rest. The FBI is just no damned good at it.

They are college educated, academic smart guys (Which they most definitely are in that respect..a good thing in the right context). They are being sent out to find fundamentalist, religious terrorists. The two mindsets can never meet in even a way close enough to UNDERSTAND each other, as numnerous BAD ending encounters have shown across the past. So it's no wonder to me that they would find blow hard bozos to fund and supply with toys and call terrorists.

They have to justify their very high, very sexy 'anything ya need' type counter-terrorism and national security budgets somehow and the pressure is mounting like never before by the public. Find some terrorists or explain the money. Well.... It looks like they got that message pretty clear and the money part is, as usual, what is protected at whatever effort that requires. :

You know what though? I'll just bet.....if we look really really hard... we can find something ELSE for very educated, college graduates to do with a badge and near God like authority, it would seem. Hmmm.. yes... We don't have to look far...



Whats that? We're getting slapped silly with real crime by REAL criminals and the vast majority get away with it? Hmmm... It might be hard to believe....if it weren't published by The FBI National Crime Clearance Table Data

I'd even say that they ought to have some shame and explaining to do for the billions after 10's of billions they spend...to nab some broke down immigrant they had to supply with everything but the idea itself in most cases.......while Rome figuratively burns and the treasure is stolen right out the side gate as it goes up.


Mr. Wrabbit,

I just have to state here that you are definitely a valued contributor to the boards. Insight, quality posts/threads and well researched/informative and thought provoking input is very much appreciated by myself and many others.

Peace


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posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 06:37 AM
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Actually its probably meant to make the other bad guys second guess an attack or make them too paranoid to attempt it.



posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 07:36 AM
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If you've ever worked in government you'd know that a great deal of your time is spent justifying your own existence for the next fiscal years budget hearings.

I've held quite a few government positions over the years and in every one of them the top priority has always been proving how much your needed and avoiding at all costs any measure that would make it appear as though the world could function without you.

Every government office does it. From your local library to the POTUS himself.

It's just extra upsetting when it's an office that carries guns pointed at the people because chances are good that in the process of them justifying their own existence more will be wasted than money and lives will be lost.



posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 09:02 AM
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lighten up folks. They're just acting as "job creators"



posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 09:07 AM
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Originally posted by thehoneycomb
Nothing more probably then DHS infiltration to find a growing need to fight against homegrown terrorism.

If you see something say something.

And if you say something, they may just as well try to include you into their nefarious deeds.


OR arrest you - which is more than likely. Totalitarianism is full throttle in AmeriKa - Heil O'Bama



posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 10:14 AM
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Originally posted by PvtHudson
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Actually its probably meant to make the other bad guys second guess an attack or make them too paranoid to attempt it.
Yeah, I'm sure that's what it is. NOT.



posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 10:56 AM
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It is sad, because if people where to take the time to research, they will realize that this type of behavior from the USA has been going on for years. (Way prior to the WTC Attacks and "that day") The truth isn't even hidden, it often shows up in history books, but people can't seem to put 2 and 2 together.



posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 11:09 AM
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I don't think that this is entrapment.

Law enforcement identifies people that seem interest in Jihad. This is no different then identifying people interested in child porn.

Then they set up traps. A reasonable person who does not want to commit violence and was just spouting off at the mouth would not want to meet with people who say they can help a person commit violence. Just like a reasonable person would not want to deal in child porn.

Meeting are set up and recorded. The intent of the individual is recorded and a jury can determine if this person actually wanted to commit murder in the name of their religion.

Entrapment is when law enforcement actively solicits people to do a crime. It is not entrapment when law enforcement plays along with someone who wants to commit a crime.



posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 11:20 AM
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Heck, the governement got into the milita movement right here in the good ol USA for just the same reasons you have mentioned. The implanted leaders, ran call boxes, made some out of whole cloth even and even gave one group, that they apporved of, a bunch of old ww2 rifles.

You-Tube JJ Johnson.....he and most of those guys you see in those vids are governemt agents. Their goal was to gain control of the national movement by producing go to guys, experts, hold meetings ect. Thier fears about what would happen if they didnt were very real in some cases.



posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 01:28 PM
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That is a good point, but these people would not have had the money or resources to pull off these attacks otherwise. It's basically egging them on when there's a chance they probably wouldn't ave gone through with it in the first place.

Could even put brainwashing into the equation, wouldn't be the first time the Federal Government have messed around with mind control... MK Ultra?
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posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 01:56 PM
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its not without precedent.

america has been inventing sports they only play and calling themselves world champions for years now.



posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 02:01 PM
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Reminds me of this story. Some of their entrapment is not as obvious, this wasnt one of those times:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

In the Liberty City Seven case, it seemed fairly obvious that the defendants were hoping to con the FBI informant out of $50k and had no intentions of committing any acts of "terrorism". They werent even Moslems. Apparently they regularly held Bible study and some of them wore the Star of David...

In the Newburgh Four case, the judge actually slammed the FBI saying:


"Only the government could have made a terrorist out of Mr Cromitie, a man whose buffoonery is positively Shakespearean in its scope," she said in court. She added: "I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that there would have been no crime here except the government instigated it, planned it and brought it to fruition."



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posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 02:30 PM
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This is exactly why we don't need a war mongering Republican for a president.

Think this is bad now? Just wait...

As I have said in other discussions, what exactly are military/law enforcement branches keeping us safe from?

If you ask anyone in any kind of uniform, they will parot exactly what they have been brainwashed into thinking. "America is vulnerable, America is a target, terrorism is the greatest threat to this country..."

The greatest threat to this country is a lack of common sense, apathy, greed, and gluttony.

Islamic people that live in caves and mud huts just want to be left alone and a decent meal.



posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by MystikMushroom
This is exactly why we don't need a war mongering Republican for a president.

Think this is bad now? Just wait...

As I have said in other discussions, what exactly are military/law enforcement branches keeping us safe from?

If you ask anyone in any kind of uniform, they will parot exactly what they have been brainwashed into thinking. "America is vulnerable, America is a target, terrorism is the greatest threat to this country..."

The greatest threat to this country is a lack of common sense, apathy, greed, and gluttony.

Islamic people that live in caves and mud huts just want to be left alone and a decent meal.


Exactly what part of Federal Law Enforcement out of control HAS to be a partisan issue to you and other people??

Is Janet Napolitano a Republican? Eric Holder? Is he secretly a Romney loyalist? How about we look back a few years before that. Janet Reno? Oh there was a die hard righty..or..err..Wait, that was Clinton's pet poodle dragging the little boy from a home in Miami at gunpoint, huh? Oh but those nasty right wingers..they got all those people in Idaho (* See below) and Texas! ...or...wait... That was Clnton's Administration too...huh? (Must have secretly been right wingers all just disguised as Democrats in a Democrat administration, right?)

The Right had Ashcroft and a dozen more like him over it's tenure at terror recently and is NO better by ANY means.. There isn't a damn thing about this that is Right OR Left. It's Law Enforcement totally losing perspective to their PURPOSE in society. They are there to detect crime ALREADY in progress or planning. They aren't there to play Mind Cop and find who Might THINK about a crime......then give them every possible tool and support to commit what they dreamed...THEN bust them to dust for it.

^^^ That is where it's gone from Law Enforcement to Law Entrapment and catching criminals to CREATING them.


*Correction.. Ruby Ridge was in 1992... That would have been Bush's tar baby to get stuck with. See? It's as Partisan as people choose to make it by cherry picking examples. Right/Left has crap to with corruption at all levels and people on an endless power trip.
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