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posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 10:41 AM
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You seem to be agreeing with my point. "Stings" require the subjects to be proactive. You don't get innocent people accepting explosives from anyone or partaking in terror planning with anyone unless they are up for it in the first place.


I do agree with you that normal people won't go along with it. But being crazy is not a crime. I used an example of undercover police officer posing as a prostitute because if she starts offering her services to men before they ask it becomes entrapment because men think about sex a lot and single men or a cheating men would probably not so no to a women offering herself to him. But would this man try to buy a prostitute if she just stood there on a corner? Thinking about sex is not the same thing as going out and looking for prostitutes.

Same goes for these terrorists.. As far as i know the FBI provided everything for them but would they ever do it without FBI help ? Just thinking about it is not a crime. They are crazy and very dangerous if they went all the way with it. but it doesn't mean that they would ever actually do anything without the FBI.

The thing that I find interesting is that in past 11 years any real terrorist attack attempts with real bombs were not stopes by the FBI i.e. the shoe bomber, the underwear bomber, the time square idiot.

But yeah I agree normal people would not go along with it.

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posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 12:17 PM
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Analysis years later concluded this attack was probably attempt to salvage torpedo boat disabled 2 days earlier


It concluded that this attack never happened and that they knew that it never happened on the same day.

And please note that Captain Herrick who was on scene and knew that no such attack occurred went along with the story and as far as I know never said a word to anybody about it for many many years.





LBJ Tapes on the Gulf of Tonkin Incident
Source: John Prados, The White House


By late afternoon the comings and goings at the White House and the Pentagon had put the press on notice that something was going on, and leaks became inevitable. Shortly after 5:00 P.M., President Johnson talked to McNamara again. This time they shared the news that the Associated Press and United Press wire services had both put out the story that another attack had taken place in the Tonkin Gulf. LBJ now approved an official Pentagon statement on the supposed attack (although as recently as twenty minutes earlier McNamara had been meeting with the Joint Chiefs of Staff to "overcome [the] lack of a clear and convincing showing that an attack on the destroyers had in fact occurred" he Joint Chiefs of Staff approved a message ordering execution of the retaliatory bombing and it was sent out at 5:19. A follow-up NSC meeting took place an hour later. That meeting gave pro forma consideration to the alleged North Vietnamese attack and the retaliation, again not taking into account the doubts of the on-scene destroyer commander, Captain Herrick. The White House meeting also tabled a prospective resolution approving the use of force by Congress. LBJ raised the matter of a resolution at a briefing of senior legislators which began at 6:45. The administration supplied a text as discussed by the NSC and then between LBJ and the legislators, and that draft became the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution which was subsequently used to justify the entire U.S. war in Vietnam.

Robert McNamara, in a conversation with Vietnamese Commander General Vo Nguyen Giap, also concluded that the August 4, 1964, incident had never occurred. That is now the general consensus among historians of the Vietnam War


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posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by OutonaLimb
Yes. All actors and co-conspirators, along with the rest of the 'victim' family member
public spokespersons.

Jersey Girls Con

Post taken from 9/11 Actors

We have been had Dave. Bigtime.


I agree; you have been had, big time. These damned fool conspiracy web sites you get all your information from have suckered you so badly that it actually makes perfect sense to you that the people most responsible for finding out what happened on 9/11 are secretly working to keep everyone from knowing what happened on 9/11.

I'm not big on religion, but I do recall it says in the Bible that when the enemies of Jesus accused him of using witchcraft to heal the sick he responded by pointing out how ridiculous it was to accuse him of calling upon demons to cast out demons.



posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by OutonaLimb



Nice. See this link (I posted earlier in the thread)
proving over and over again that 9/11 was a faked media extravaganza with fake
terrorists, faked plane crashes, and most shockingly of all, faked victims (as per operation northwoods).
That is why you do not see 20,000+ surviving family members baying for blood over what is,
even after a superficial glance at the 'evidence', a government conspiracy.

One has to wonder why the U.S. government (and its cohorts) were so clumsy.
Perhaps they were meant to be implicated!


A shame, but very telling.


And that is a prime example as to why the truth movement has fallen apart. It was taken over by people who, somehow, believe the whole thing was faked. No planes, no victims, no terrorists. Just a few empty buildings to demolish with no witnesses (other than the fake ones) around.

That is what rational thought has been taken over by. At least space lasers didn't make the above list.



posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 02:43 PM
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Pfft!!

The above two comments show exactly why those responsible for the
9/11 hoax have gotten away with it, and so much more.

Follow the evidence all honest investigators.

Remember that the culprits pockets are deep and they have employed many, many
stooges to deny, obfuscate and ridicule all and sundry.



posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 02:54 PM
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I'm not a "cowboy" and I know the history in this regard.

As to the rest of you're post, Maxella1 responded to it quite eloquentally.



posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 03:06 PM
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And that is a prime example as to why the truth movement has fallen apart. It was taken over by people who, somehow, believe the whole thing was faked. No planes, no victims, no terrorists. Just a few empty buildings to demolish with no witnesses (other than the fake ones) around. That is what rational thought has been taken over by. At least space lasers didn't make the above list.


These "fake victims" type of nonsense should not have any effect on rational people. Personally I get very annoyed by it but freedom means that people have the right to believe whatever they want.

I look at it this way.. People that don't believe that man walked on the moon have no effect on rational people that look at the universe and see no reason to think that earth is the only planet with life..



posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by maxella1
reply to post by usernameconspiracy
 




And that is a prime example as to why the truth movement has fallen apart. It was taken over by people who, somehow, believe the whole thing was faked. No planes, no victims, no terrorists. Just a few empty buildings to demolish with no witnesses (other than the fake ones) around. That is what rational thought has been taken over by. At least space lasers didn't make the above list.


These "fake victims" type of nonsense should not have any effect on rational people. Personally I get very annoyed by it but freedom means that people have the right to believe whatever they want.



How many bodies were recovered on 9/11 again?
What about the bodies above the 'collision points' at WTC1 and 2?
Shouldn't they have remained pretty much in tact?

There were NO bodies recovered anywhere! None!
Were they all dustified? Or were there no bodies there in the first place?

Explain the masses upon masses of photoshopped 'victim' photographs!
You cannot under your worldview.

The world was duped. Full Stop.

Would the thousands that must have been involved in the 9/11 conspiracy sooner
cooperate in a mass murder of their own citizens or in a mass hoax?

Go through the links I posted to educate yourself on the real nature and extents of the 9/11 hoax.



I look at it this way.. People that don't believe that man walked on the moon have no effect on rational people that look at the universe and see no reason to think that earth is the only planet with life..


What a silly comment.

The apollo program is a hoax, based on photographic evidence and physical contraints.
NASASCAM

Isn't it funny how the people who ridicule 9/11 conspiracy fact are usually
the same people who deny the chemtrailing agenda and insist that the
moon landings were genuine.

Stinks to high heaven.

Pfft!
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posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by OutonaLimb

Originally posted by maxella1
reply to post by usernameconspiracy
 




And that is a prime example as to why the truth movement has fallen apart. It was taken over by people who, somehow, believe the whole thing was faked. No planes, no victims, no terrorists. Just a few empty buildings to demolish with no witnesses (other than the fake ones) around. That is what rational thought has been taken over by. At least space lasers didn't make the above list.


These "fake victims" type of nonsense should not have any effect on rational people. Personally I get very annoyed by it but freedom means that people have the right to believe whatever they want.



How many bodies were recovered on 9/11 again?
What about the bodies above the 'collision points' at WTC1 and 2?
Shouldn't they have remained pretty much in tact?

There were NO bodies recovered anywhere! None!
Were they all dustified? Or were there no bodies there in the first place?

Explain the masses upon masses of photoshopped 'victim' photographs!
You cannot under your worldview.

The world was duped. Full Stop.

Would the thousands that must have been involved in the 9/11 conspiracy sooner
cooperate in a mass murder of their own citizens or in a mass hoax?

Go through the links I posted to educate yourself on the real nature and extents of the 9/11 hoax.



I look at it this way.. People that don't believe that man walked on the moon have no effect on rational people that look at the universe and see no reason to think that earth is the only planet with life..


What a silly comment.

The apollo program is a hoax, based on photographic evidence and physical contraints.
NASASCAM

Isn't it funny how the people who ridicule 9/11 conspiracy fact are usually
the same people who deny the chemtrailing agenda and insist that the
moon landings were genuine.

Stinks to high heaven.

Pfft!
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Were the buildings real? Were they 110 stories high? Were they located in downtown NYC? Was it realy a Tuesday?

If these questions look ridiculous it's because they are. And that is what "no victims" theory looks like to me.

If you truly believe this then I'm sorry to tell you that life's hard and even harder if you're stupid. (I'm not calling you stupid) I'm just saying that you are a victim of the biggest hoax concerning 9/11 out there. Sit down and think about it for a while.



posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 07:28 PM
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I have come across these tactics before of course.
I've said what I have to say. I have gone where the evidence has lead me.
I may be stupid but 9/11 was still a media extravaganza.

Good luck.



posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 07:33 PM
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Are these people real?


Well, are they?

Cheers



posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by NWOwned
Are these people real?


Well, are they?

Cheers




Yes they are real and they had real families. This video shows somebody's 'mothers, fathers , wifes, husbands, sisters, brother, sons and daughters...And you are telling them that they are holograms...

If God forbid you lost a loved one in there how would you feel about people that say they aren't real?



posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 08:31 PM
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No, I think real people lost their lives, but when it comes just to these 'people' in this clip, particularly at the beginning with the guy's arm that appears to dissipate in thin air. Are these 'people' real? Is that a real arm on the first guy? I'm really wondering because it 'looks like' that's not a real arm.

I'm not saying nobody died. Don't combine the two or misunderstand my questioning.

People died AND are these 'people' seen JUST HERE in this one clip, are THEY real?

Because if they're not then it might help to explain how the others did die and just who might be behind it.


Cheers



posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 09:18 PM
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It concluded that this attack never happened and that they knew that it never happened on the same day.


While there was no attack does not mean North Vietnamese forces were not in area

As I posted - what the MADDOX and TURNER JOY picked up were salvage operations for boat disabled earlier

US destroyers picked up radar/sonar targets. Jittery from attack 2 days earlier let imagination get away from
them and interpeted the salavge operations as an attack on them

So we have one confirmed attack and one misinterpetation of the situation.......



posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 09:21 PM
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People died AND are these 'people' seen JUST HERE in this one clip, are THEY real?



Just to make sure I understand you correctly you think that people in this particular clip are holograms but the rest are real?




Because if they're not then it might help to explain how the others did die and just who might be behind it.



Can you explain how it would help?
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posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 09:30 PM
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A few posts above you talked about rational people not being swayed etc. Ok, what I ask now is for you to firmly put on your rational hat and not your emotional reactive hat.

I never lost a loved one on 9/11. But had I, had my wife say, been in one of those towers when they 'fell' and I was sold a story about cave dwellers doing it. And like 10 or 11 years later I'm looking on youtube because every anniversary I still long for closure and for a few days I relive the whole ordeal by looking at the videos and crying.

And then, 10 years on I see a video where the uploader points out that a person's arm, hanging out the window high above dissipates and goes poof into smoke indicating, that perhaps, IN THIS ONE CLIP, that the 'people' depicted are not really "REAL".

What is my reaction to that?

You seem to think if my wife actually died in the towers that I would be upset and angry at the uploader for suggesting it. If my wife died in the towers "really" I would know she really died, I would know she worked on the 67th floor and never came home again. The uploader of the video acknowledges that people died. Rationally now, he's not going so far as saying my wife is or was FAKE and didn't really exist or didn't really die, he's just saying, "Look at this guy's arm hanging out the tower... I don't think that's a real arm on a real guy..."

And I got no problem with him saying that.

In fact I've been in pain and mourning for 11 years *somebody* did it and it looks like they got away free. This one guy says "Hey, look at this..." I look at it rationally, rationally I see he might have a case for what he is saying JUST ABOUT THIS ONE CLIP. Not about my dead wife or any other poor souls unlucky enough to perish that day.

Taking the clip rationally and seriously I would be elated to have found it and from examining it, if he turned out to be correct. I would immediately realize that no cave dwellers in Afghanistan have the technology to project fake hologram smokey armed people in the tower tops on 9/11. THEY never had the means, motive, opportunity or even IDEA (I would imagine) to even do it.

But *somebody* did because that guy's arm is blowing smoke. So *someone* was 'blowing smoke' on 9/11 (apparently) and do you know what? Those people (whoever they are) KILLED MY WIFE.

I want *someone* to pay for killing my wife and now I know it's nobody in Afghanistan.

So I would thank the uploader for taking the time to point it all out to me.


Cheers
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posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 09:30 PM
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Better yet,

Can you explain to me why you think that the people above the impact points should be all intact?

I would be delighted if you could fill me in on your theory.



posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 09:33 PM
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While there was no attack does not mean North Vietnamese forces were not in area


The Maddox just got out of Vietnamese territory why wouldn't there be Vietnamese forces?


The Maddox was actually on an intelligence mission off the northern coast, carrying with a van of extra communications and electronics gear along with a complement of specialists from the Naval Security Group, a naval complement to the National Security Agency. Their task was to intercept North Vietnamese communications. The ship was in international waters when attacked, but had been inside territorial waters claimed by North Vietnam when Hanoi's torpedo boats were sent to sea. Vietnamese authorities have disclosed that the response was ordered by local commanders without reference to Hanoi.





So we have one confirmed attack and one misinterpetation of the situation.......


One real and one fake, not misinterpreted situation.



posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 09:34 PM
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Can you take a screen shot of the moment you are referring to?

I am on my gf's cell phone and would like to see it.



posted on Oct, 24 2012 @ 09:48 PM
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"Look at this guy's arm hanging out the tower... I don't think that's a real arm on a real guy..."


One word ~~ pixels




In fact I've been in pain and mourning for 11 years *somebody* did it and it looks like they got away free. This one guy says "Hey, look at this..." I look at it rationally, rationally I see he might have a case for what he is saying JUST ABOUT THIS ONE CLIP. Not about my dead wife or any other poor souls unlucky enough to perish that day.


Just this one clip is a hologram.... got it !





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