Originally posted by MystikMushroom
One thing that always bothered my logical mind growing up about prayer:
If we were able to get every Christian on Earth to all pray at the same time for a man to regrow his leg, would it?
I have heard of instances where prayer seemed to "magically" work. Perhaps the placebo effect?
Can we try to organize millions to regrow someone's leg? Lets see if it works!
Of all the instances that you've heard where prayer seemed to work, what is it about those that causes you to question whether or not they were
I for one drowned when I was a child, I didn't need the help of a nurse or any adult whatsoever, another kid helped me out of the water, no cpr
needed, no worrys..because after that I knew that if God could allow me to drown and give me the choice to life and follow through with my personal
decision by allowing me back into my body...when my mouth and nose finally surfaced, my mouth was opened by an invisible tangible force and my stomach
and lungs evacuated of water, the camp counselor actualy asked me why I was so pale, I didn't tell her.
Now, you tell me, why should a little girl who is alive and well tell an adult that she had died? No point, because that little girl is alive and now
has a little one of her own. My son will know about God's works because I will tell him about them. My parents, though they themselves drank and
smoked pot (at the time) allowed me to go to "kid's church" and if it weren't for those early years of experiencing my own child-like faith that
came with RESULTS, even if my parents had no idea that I was praying and having prayers answered.
Sometimes when the house is messy (I have a toddler), when people comment on how the place is "still" messy, I ask them, "Do I have to clean up in
front of you and make regular announcements on every good deed that I do?" The bible says to let your good deeds be done in secret, because God
isn't impressed with someone who spends 10 million dollars advertizing that their buisness gave two million dollars to some charity cause.
Personally I am inclined to believe that IF you can get as many Christians as you can to pray for someone, then you'd have a pretty good chance of
that prayer being answered.
And I must say, I don't believe that the "placebo effect" is unbiblical, it is recorded in that book that Jesus said in more than one instance,
"Your faith has made you well."
For the record my parents do now firmly believe in the existence of God, they've told me instances where they've seen the need for prayer, prayed,
and had their prayers speedily answered. They sin daily, and so do I, I'm not proud to say it but it's true. Did God answer our prayers knowing full
well that we'd be capable of sinning still? I'll bet he did, and he did it anyway, he helped us.
My logic tells me that when Jesus told that woman caught in adultry to "go and sin no more", he meant it, he didn't wink at her after he said that.
I believe that Jesus knew that the woman knew that adultry was a sin, she did it anyway and got caught, the thing is, she probably expected to die
that day the crowd wanted to stone her, she even asked Jesus if he was going to punish her somehow, she knew she was guilty and she knew Jesus knew
she was guilty but Jesus didn't complain to her about how she already knows she shouldn't be doing those things. He didn't complain to her that now
her reputation was marred as a person deserving death. He didn't tell her that he knows what it's like to be tempted but that he resisted it then
why couldn't she? He didn't tell her, "Oh people sin all the time.." He told her, "go and sin no more".
The point of my post is this: Sinners do pray and they do get their prayers answered, you don't need to consider youself a Christian in order to be
capable of praying. I don't consider myself a Christian, I don't go to church, but I do think about God every single day. Does that mean that I
think I'm going to heaven? No. Because I don't think I'm going to heaven does that mean that I should try to convince myself that God isn't real
and everything I've experienced is a delusion? No, because like many other sinners I FIRMLY believe that God is real and to me there will NEVER be
any "evidence" to prove to me otherwise because I've seen enough evidence first hand to prove to me that God is real and that he loves me and wants
me to "go and sin no more".
The logical problem that I have with Christianity is that I far too often come across pastors and Christians "with authority" who tell me that Jesus
never did expect that woman to stop sinning, they'd say that Jesus told her to do something that he never believed her capable of doing. ick