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posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 09:56 AM
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The more you say, the more I agree with you. I can't blame you for having the initial opinion of me that you had or still have. However, I know that I am not one of the materialistic "I've made a life for myself snobs" living in a fantasy world. I fully understand that working your arse off to get tax raped is not necessarily the most fulfilling feeling. BUT as I said, I would rather do this and see a decent salary in my bank at the end of the month than rely on the government who I detest so dearly. You are right, they have absolutely no idea how the majority of people live and I would love to be able to do something to change that. The fact of the matter is, any party we elect may talk the talk but my god they are crippled when it comes to walking the walk and wrapped up in their ulterior motives and agendas. We need to revolutionize our government but before we can do that, we all need to be on the same page. Unfortunately the government are doing a great job of keeping the social/class divisions alive to make sure we won't be able to rise against them.
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posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 09:58 AM
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Originally posted by cody599
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I don't want to turn this into an insult contest, but you obviously aren't homeless your at mum's. I never said squaddie, I said said ex soldier, I served in the I.D.F. and no I'm not jewish it was just national service, my job was to rescue' at all costs civillians from harm; regardless of faith creed or colour. Bet you didn't know that even exists. Cost me my best mate my thumb and shedloads of scars> Don't be angry , just go and do , be different. Take control of you life.................... your choice !


i`m not homeless ?

Come to Sunderland , i`ll show you where i`m sleeping tonight pal.

I.D.F



posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 10:01 AM
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It`s as simple as getting the queen to dissolve parlaiment , push for a vote of confidence, BAM problem solved.



posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 10:03 AM
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Window rounds arent cheap these days, How would you afford one if you were on the dole.



posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 10:04 AM
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Originally posted by JeZeus
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It`s as simple as getting the queen to dissolve parlaiment , push for a vote of confidence, BAM problem solved.



Now this is clearly an area you've looked into and I embarrassingly know nothing about


Simple eh?
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posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 10:05 AM
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Originally posted by lewman
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Window rounds arent cheap these days, How would you afford one if you were on the dole.


I didn't mean a 'legit' window round. I meant doing what I can to make ends meet. A bit of cash in hand before some established window cleaner came along and knocked me off my ladders.



posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 10:09 AM
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Parliament of the United Kingdom

Main article: Dissolution of the Parliament of the United Kingdom

Under the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011, Parliament is dissolved automatically 17 days ahead of a general election. Elections ordinarily take place five years after the previous general election, but may be held sooner if the Prime Minister loses a vote of confidence, or if two-thirds of the members of the House of Commons vote in favour of an early election.

en.wikipedia.org...

Some of his own party members have already blasted him and told him what they think of him and his policies.
His own party , that`s how unstable this coalition is , its a shambles and we are a laughing stock because of them.
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posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by JeZeus
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Parliament of the United Kingdom

Main article: Dissolution of the Parliament of the United Kingdom

Under the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011, Parliament is dissolved automatically 17 days ahead of a general election. Elections ordinarily take place five years after the previous general election, but may be held sooner if the Prime Minister loses a vote of confidence, or if two-thirds of the members of the House of Commons vote in favour of an early election.

en.wikipedia.org...

Some of his own party members have already blasted him and told him what they think of him and his policies.
His own party , that`s how unstable this coalition is , its a shambles and we are a laughing stock because of them.
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I have to admit, I don't know enough about politics and the way our parliament works to add anything of value but I have been aware of the turbulence from within. Seriously though, what would we achieve by throwing Cameron out? Who do we want in power? After all, the reason we have been lumbered with this farce coalition is because we wanted labour out so badly. I honestly don't think any of the existing parties could run the country half as well as a committee of general Brits with a variety of skills and qualifications could do. In my opinion, the British people know what the British people want and need more than anybody else. That is what a democracy is supposed to be right?



posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by fiftyfifty


I have to admit, I don't know enough about politics and the way our parliament works to add anything of value but I have been aware of the turbulence from within. Seriously though, what would we achieve by throwing Cameron out? Who do we want in power? After all, the reason we have been lumbered with this farce coalition is because we wanted labour out so badly. I honestly don't think any of the existing parties could run the country half as well as a committee of general Brits with a variety of skills and qualifications could do. In my opinion, the British people know what the British people want and need more than anybody else. That is what a democracy is supposed to be right?


To be honest we got lumbered because people wanted Gordon Brown out , and after Tony Blair`s international war crimes labour had blood on thier hands.

But the dissolution of parlaiment means the current government will be dissolved and we`ll have an election
big woop i know , but sending the tories packing would save a lot of struggling families.

In all seriousness , labour are holding thier cards very close to thier chest , if they start telling us thier policies they know david cameron will "copy" , he`s that pathetic.

Most of the labour party still have what it takes but there`s a few bad eggs , Ed being one of them -- Miliband , not Ed Balls , he`s pretty intelligent , funny too when they let him loose on "dave".


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posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 10:32 AM
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Benefit-haters really annoy me.

You would condemn people who already have nothing, to starvation and homelessness because it cost the taxpayer a fortune.
Don't you think we should start saving money where it wouldn't hurt anyone? How about we abolish politicians' expense claims? They already get paid super-inflated salaries so why can't they pay their own work-related expenses like the rest of us have to on a fraction of the pay?

Why don't any of you haters object to funding politicians' luxury lifestyles and work expenses on top of their fat salaries? Why does it not concern you that these people are raking in a fortune, but still take more?

They sit in one of their many homes, sipping single malt and chewing fat cigars all paid for by taxpayer mugs, and have the nerve to dictate a minimum wage no-one can live on. What the hell do they know about living on a 6quid an hour wage? Are they living on minimum wage? Have they personally done it? No they haven't. But they tell YOU that's what YOU'RE gonna live on, even though it would be impossible for them to do the same.

People who need help aren't the scroungers, the real bottom-of-the-barrel scroungers are rich politicians, who are the worst of the worst for filling their already full pockets with taxpayer money which they shouldn't be entitled to, claiming ridiculous expenses they are well able to pay with their ridiculous salaries. 'We're all in it together' my arse! I don't see THEM taking a pay cut as a gesture to help out. In fact, I don't see ANY of them giving up ANYTHING to help out. I can never understand why some people can't see it, but soon jump all over poor people who need help.

British government = Don't do as I do, Do as I SAY!
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posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 10:35 AM
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i run a small construction company which used to employ 6 men down to just myself now as a sole trader.
ive found in the last 4 years contracts have been hard to come by because of the influx of cheap eastern european trades.they come to the uk without their families but are entitled to claim benefits for their wives and children.They work for minimun wage and share accomodation upto 20 people per 3bedroom house,they can then afford to send home all their benefits which is more than a middle class income in their home countries.
Ive spoken to some on site that tell me they dont have children but claim for upto 5 as the hmrc cant proove wheather they do or dont.It seems like madness to me they get away with it whilst the grafters of britain suffer.



posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 10:42 AM
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I always find it a bit strange when people rag on those on benefits. My brother had a great job in London paying really well, within a week the company was in administration and the employees were all left hung out to dry. No financial help to pay high London rents. Fortunately my family could help my brother out. Not everyone's so lucky. So what I'm saying is,, in this climate, you may think you have a comfortable job. You never know when you might be out of luck and out out of work. Why would you want your conditions to be worse if you find yourself in that situation. Just be careful what you wish for.



posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by JeZeus

Originally posted by TSOM87
What work did you do before you became homeless?

Tsom87


I was a site labourer before i became homeless.

i`ve had many jobs , i was an apprentice bar-fitter , an apprentice joiner , a chain boy (assistant civil engineer) , a bar steward , a handy man, and my last job was as an "Assembler" but i did more labouring/joinery than anything else. I`ve been painting/decorating for friends and family for about 5 years now with no complaints.

I`m 25 , have PPE and a few decent tools , if you know anyone that`s looking for a grafter.
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look at the word politics poli is the latin for many and tics are blood sucking parasites

I wish I could say with that attitude you will go far
but its just not true

sorry fella but this country sucks
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posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by ramarevealed
i run a small construction company which used to employ 6 men down to just myself now as a sole trader.
ive found in the last 4 years contracts have been hard to come by because of the influx of cheap eastern european trades.they come to the uk without their families but are entitled to claim benefits for their wives and children.They work for minimun wage and share accomodation upto 20 people per 3bedroom house,they can then afford to send home all their benefits which is more than a middle class income in their home countries.
Ive spoken to some on site that tell me they dont have children but claim for upto 5 as the hmrc cant proove wheather they do or dont.It seems like madness to me they get away with it whilst the grafters of britain suffer.

Because that's the way the government want it to be.

They want you to hate the immigrants and everyone on benefits, because whilst you're all busting your buns hating these people, you're not watching what the government is up to.

The government is the only body which can change things and make life better for citizens, but it doesn't. You have to be suspicious as to why. The obvious answer is it doesn't want to. So blame it instead of it's victims.
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posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 11:02 AM
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i've been in similar shoes. i was homeless for over two years after
a workplace injury rendered me useless and i lost my home.
i may as well have carried a bucket of vaseline around as those in suits
of various departments just seemed to be lining up for their turn at
shafting me.
here we are again, the knobs at the top have seemingly got away with the biggest
ponzi scheme on planet dirt whilst it seems those in secure tenureship are
getting wet and dribbling over the never ending influx of unfortunate souls
to bend over the desk.
their intentions are as sick as their fake concern for all us who are struggling
to wade through this crap they are calling the big society. cameron-fail,
osbourne-fail, clegg-flunk. i could go on but blah blah it will dawn on those
thinking themselves secure eventually that all eyes will be on them next.
indirect
taxes and rising fuel and heating prices will and have taken their toll.

food banks anyone? food banks! the only growth industry the government will not
acknowledge!

it's a laugh isn't it when you get to meet an 85-year old lady who
cannot afford to make ends meet beyond a minimum staple diet who is constantly
inundated with crank calls of promised wealth, special offers with hidden back-
loaded costs. i didn't have the heart to charge her for an extra 5 days work whilst
scumbags are free to roam and pillage at will and they wear suits.
i am almost ashamed of calling myself an englishman after seeing too much of the
devious crap this and previous governments have imposed on those that were frugal
all their lives.
shame on you parliament, you are now not fit for purpose in my eyes and you should be
dissolved with immediate effect to be replaced with those who have a genuine sense of concern
for those less fortunate.

one last thing, the new shiny spy school they are establishing. do you really think
it's purpose is to counter external threats? course not imo it will be enhanced state-
sponsered snooping on all of us for immediate fixed penalites should we make the slightest
mistake in our online habits by breaking netiquette. think about it.

rant far from over fakedirt.
s and flagged with immediate effect.



posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 11:19 AM
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Do yourself a favour OP. Get a Wonga.com and use the money to change your nationality to Somalian or Kurdish.

Then re apply for benefits and see how much better you will do. Im sure you will be in a mansion in Acton funded by the taxpayer before you can say 'cameronsaknob'



posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 11:22 AM
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It was not the poor who deregulated the banking industry. Nor did they claim for moats to be cleaned, or duck houses. Benefits? Camoron said that the banksters did nothing wrong, in regards to the Libor scandal. f I do any thing wrong, then the police are at my door in a moment. Banksters? They dine with the chief of police and politicians. Its not the poor who are avoiding to pay taxs totaling in the billions. All our present problems can be laid at the door of the rich and their bankster friends.



posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 11:22 AM
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Well, with all these people you are telling to “**** off” I am surprised that you are surprised you are making little progress. That said, I do fully sympathise with your situation.

To the OP.

I am no defender of the Conservatives, but to go against the trend on this thread to “blame the Tory Party” for the sins of the world, I would point out that all governments have sought to find ways to get people into work. The fact that Labour failed to address some basic problems merely created some of the mess we are in.

You may not like what the goverment does, but at least they are doing something. Labour buried the problem and borrowed against our futures. Some aspects of what the Tory Party is trying to do seems quite a refreshing change – like their approach to Incapacity Benefit where quite a number of people deemed incapable of work have been found to be (ahem) quite capable!

Furthermore, if working for an Agency is “against your beliefs” then you are creating a self limiting situation. My builder says he’s never been so busy and has taken on a new person in recent weeks. He got that person from the job centre and was able to “trial” him for a couple of weeks. Often, working in an agency is a path to a job.

Regards



posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 11:35 AM
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I know one person who was pushed into a "Apprenticeship" which will equip him with the skills he needs to be independent of benefits. He gets £2.60 an hour, pays £63 bus fare per month, is married with a child. He is given the most menial tasks no-one else wants to do, he learns nothing and won't get a job out of that. All he has to show for it is extreme poverty and hardship plus humiliation.

I know two disabled people who have been trying to get a job for 2 years. They have both been to college to upgrade their skills, have learned jobseeking and interview skills, spruced up their CVs and still can't get a job because employers don't see disabled people as capable of competing with "able bodied". Government figures show that 87% of employers would sooner take on ex-offenders than people with mental health, visual or hearing "problems". These people are now being stripped of all benefits because they don't have a job. The new Universal Credit will not be issued to all ex-claimants of disability benefit: it is anticipated that around a third will get something but will be worse off. Over 25 people to date have already committed suicide (and that's before we start!) with many more in absolute panic. Blind people will no longer qualify as fully disabled people; they will only earn 9 out of 15 points awarded to "fully disabled" people. I myself am disabled, I have worked with unemployed people and employers for years and some of the excuses I got from employers before the recession were simply pathetic and used H&S ruthlessly. I am someone who has a very good education, someone who has worked to get their own home, someone who has never shirked my responsibilities and get a small allowance for my impairment. Business is way down and whereas I once worked with 20 associates I now work on my own. I am much worse off and I'm scared because I know if I go down I won't get back up.The government have closed down all workshops for disabled people (which I always would have said would be a good thing) and no longer offer subsidies for the employment of disabled people. They have cut back massively on giving grants to buy adaptive equipment which employers will not want to pay for. So where do we go?

Yes, there are scroungers and cheats. This government is highlighting only that by vigorous one-sided campaigning. Even Mr. Cameron's praise of the Paralympics was carefully crafted to set disabled people on a pedestal.

Oh, and one final point. Most disabled people have been told by Jobcentre "Plus" (?) that they need never work, and that for the past thirty years! In fact a lot of the miners, redundancies from the seventies were magicked onto incapacity to hide the figures.... and now they're being told they are cheats! How fair does that sound from behind your desk at work? Can't remember who said it but you're ever one paycheck (American) away from homelessness. There is no room for complacency. Never say never.
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posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 11:57 AM
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Ah my friend, so many excuses........ and so little action.......... the sum of the benefits system...... =......... YOU . Excuse me while I go to work.





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