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posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 08:31 PM
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Originally posted by JeZeus
What is you`re obsession with moving ?


The fact you don't understand this is highlighting the problem. Put it this way, if say tomorrow your water stopped, or there was no food with no immediate prospect of it coming back, would you stay put or look elsewhere? When you boil it down, having a job is providing those basics, so it is the same thing.

If I lost my job tomorrow through redundancy, I'd be straight away finding new work, wherever it may be found. I would use my redundancy pay to finance such a move. At the end of the day, you can easily find a house share to set up in almost straight away while you wait the first paycheck to get your own place.

You have yet to highlight a valid reason why remaining in situ for work to arrive where you live is a good idea when there is no immediate prospect of there being any work, all the while there are thousands of jobs going in other area's. After all, this is exactly how many towns in the North for example came into being, by people moving to where the work was.

There is a definite link between the mobility and adaptability of the workforce and economic success. During the industrial revolution, people moved to where the work was and learned new skills. Nowadays, we've been accustomed to having things provided for us without being expected to put in any effort.


Originally posted by JeZeus
You sound like a tory , if you dont mind me saying so .... if you do, well
, do you really think that everyone in this country can just get up and skip into the next town/city to find a job ?


Not a Tory, no. Nice attempt at trying to label me though. Do me a favour and don't bother, I've extended the same courtesy to you.

And yes, why the hell can't people be more mobile to find work? If a town has had no major employment for years, why the hell stay there? It defies logic, but it is understandable when you look at in the context of the culture of entitlement that has grown in this country. Don't sit around waiting fdor someone else to do something, bloody well sort it out yourself.


Originally posted by JeZeus
Have the british been " kicking off " about immigrants for days ... or YEARS ?


Some have, yes, not all. Again, don't try and shoehorn the whole country into your narrow field of view. The fact of the matter is, these immigrants have shown far more get up and go to find work than pretty much anyone else in this nation. Would you be willing to move to Poland to find work so you could send money back to your family? If not, why not?


Originally posted by JeZeus
It IS the immigrants , It IS the government , It IS the muslims , and they ARE spoon feeding the masses propaganda on adaily basis in order to keep thier cash flow , call me wierd or a fascsist or a racist - whatever you like , it`s time we put a stop to it and got this country back in order .


Jeebus, my browser is having a fit with all your typo's and spelling errors! Anyhoo, you are rambling now.


Originally posted by JeZeus
There`s going to be a massive race war in Britain , muslims running around with machettes and ak-47s right near you , but that sounds silly because your reality is protected with conservative bubble wrap



Is there really? It will be a short one then, as we still outnumber them something like 20-1. I can now see you are of a certain flavour though. I remember a certain time in history when a country was on it's knees and monsters got into power saying pretty much the same thing, blaming immigrants and the foreigners for the problems in the country. Look how that turned out.

For the record, I spent 10 years living in a city centre location with a high population of Poles and Muslims. The only trouble I ever got though was off born and bred British idiots. Only recently did I move out of that town into my current, rural location. Oddly enough, so I could be closer to my place of work.......


Originally posted by JeZeus
The polish scattered back home a couple of years ago after milking us dry , they left us with polish food stores all over britain , some parts of Britain are like India - others like Bosnia



There are still plenty here matey. And for every area "like India" or what have you, I could find you a "white" are that was equally as shabby, if that's what you mean?




posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 08:46 PM
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posted by JeZeus
No ships


What do you mean, "no ships"? We have ships....


posted by JeZeus
no shipyards


I suggest you go look up Harland & Wolff (Northern Ireland), Ferguson Shipbuilders Limited (Clyde), A&P Group (3 repair/conversion yards around England), Appledore Shipbuilders (Devon - actually working on parts of the Carriers), Cammell Laird (Liverpool - just restarted ship building) and BAE Systems Maritime (various Yards around the UK)? There are also some smaller yards building things like yachts and hovercraft.


posted by JeZeus
no steel industry ,


Not true. In fact, we have a highly skilled Stell industry making products that simply cannot be made elsewhere at plants like Redcar.


posted by JeZeus
no coal industry ,


Again, not true. There are quite a few deep pits left in operation and many smaller ones.


posted by JeZeus
disgraceful oil industry ,


Disgraceful? Maybe so, but still successful and on the upswing as of this year.


posted by JeZeus
most of the food`s imported


Again, not true. Some 65% of our food is home grown and the rest is food that cannot be grown here, such a tropical fruits or rice. At a push, say in a war, we can feed ourselves. Don't forget, even in the 40's, a fair amount of food related products came from overseas, hence the fashioning. It's not the fault of this Government, or the last, or the one before. It's simply down to space.


posted by JeZeus
, drug addicts left right and centre ,


What's new? We had opium dens in the Victorian ere, but that didn't slow us down. It's hardly the fault of any one Government, but a failure of society and over regulation of natural products.


posted by JeZeus
soldiers sleeping on the streets , war veterans / disabled people / the elderly - having benefits cut and being told *we dont help people in your position* when applying for crisis loans.


Care to provide any links for me to look at? I am sure there are some isolated cases, but it's hardly the norm. I come from a military family and have friends in service now. The Military does a pretty good job of looking after it's own, for the most part.


posted by JeZeus
The truth hurts , but laughing it off as nonsense is pointless when it`s right in your face.


Who's laughing? It's all very well having legitimate complains, but so far all you've put out is hot air and ignorance.
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posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 09:08 PM
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most of the jobs i ever had started the following Monday, mostly 2-3 days after being told i had the job, bank account details etc is usually set up in the first week of working and most places require a week in hand before they pay you.

if i had valuable skills that were very hard to come by or required extensive qualifications ie: doctor, surgeon, some sort of specialist in some way, maybe then the company may be willing to overlook the distance and be patient for me to move there. but when it comes to similar experienced people, why would they go with somebody 50 miles away instead of getting the same value or slightly less or more who only lives around the corner or one 20 minute bus ride away.

they want somebody who will make it to work on time everyday and thus take distance into consideration and seeing as though the person living 50 miles has not moved yet due to not being offered the job yet, why would employers take the risk.
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posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 09:22 PM
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All you have done there is validate the argument to move to where the work is!

Never the less, I work with people from all over the UK in our NOC. Some travel as far as 200 miles+. In fact, one guy comes from Wales and stays for the duration of the shift cycle in a converted Transit van in the car park.

There is no reason why you could not do the same and in all honesty, commuting 50+ miles to work is very common in the UK and would never be a major hindrance to getting a job.

Still, no one has yet come up with a convincing argument why moving to where the work is such a bad idea. You've come up with the best reason so far and it still pretty weak in all honesty All you have done is highlight why moving closer to the sources of employment is important, rather than give reasons not to.



posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 10:54 PM
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Never the less, I work with people from all over the UK in our NOC. Some travel as far as 200 miles+. In fact, one guy comes from Wales and stays for the duration of the shift cycle in a converted Transit van in the car park. There is no reason why you could not do the same and in all honesty, commuting 50+ miles to work is very common in the UK and would never be a major hindrance to getting a job.
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most of this is not viable if you have a family. the people you work with were they unemployed before getting their job or did they simply move jobs and already had savings and a car?



posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 11:35 PM
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Of course it is viable, now you're reaching...

The guy I refer to has 3 kids and a wife. Prior to joining the company several years back, he went several months unemployed after the bottom fell out the comms market and I can assure you, he doesn't have any savings of any kind.

It was simply a case that he needed a job and there was one going at our place, so he jerry-rigged a van with a heater, TV and mattress, then the rest is history.

What I am trying to illustrate here is that if there is a will, there is a way. Clearly, there is too much focus on trying to find excuses not to do something that trying to find ways in which you can



posted on Oct, 27 2012 @ 12:00 AM
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its not about the will, lots of people have the will, they often lack the resources or skills, like driving or cannot afford to drive full stop.

so what do you suggest for those who cannot drive or afford to drive?



posted on Oct, 27 2012 @ 12:32 AM
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I don't drive myself, I am currently learning however.

I use buses and trains to get to where I need to be, as do a lot of car drivers for that matter. Public transport is quite good in the UK and if you buy season tickets or tickets in advance, quite good value when compared with the cost of driving.



posted on Oct, 27 2012 @ 01:52 AM
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Some times you just get a lucky break. Not everyone gets those.
Anyway I have 3 sons and each of them have worked since they left school. All manual labour jobs. 1 in the same job for 8 years, 1 has had 2 jobs both 8 yrs employment. Now my youngest son has worked with agencies and done a hundred and one jobs to keep the money coming in. He has also found jobs that pay cash only as they are out there but you have to work all hours for low pay but if your desperate enough you will do it. He has never signed on and now has 10 grand in savings and lives from friends to mum but follows the work. He has responsibilities to a 2 year old child which he pays over the odds for and wouldn't have it any other way. I ask him often about how he feels when he sees others his age just sitting in a council flat playing games all day and smoking drugs. He says that unless you get up in the morning, get out onto the streets and look for the work out there, it will not come to you. And yes he has done the pizza leaflet deliveries too.
Because he has a ground sense of the worth of money and that feeling of earning and networking. He has now bought the bike of his dreams that took him 5 years to save up for. Now he is more mobile than ever and goes around the country looking for work Last week he was on a beach clearing the litter.
So for those who might read this and need inspiring to get out there and not expect a handsome wage but earn money somehow, it can be done.
I am very proud of him as he will just not give up.



posted on Oct, 27 2012 @ 02:29 AM
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You`ve got to be kidding me.

Our Navy is a disgrace , our shipbuilding industry is not a fraction of what it used to be , and the fact that i said there are areas like Bosnia just shows how much attention you are paying.

If I run away from this city to find work , and everyone else does the same , they`ll fill the gaps with immigrants and this city is already full of them. So i honestly can not see any sense in your argument , plus , why on earth would I walk from city to city , i`m still going to be homeless , and i would have less chance of finding work if i did not know the area since the only thing i could do would be to walk the streets handing out C.Vs.

The truth is this has gone on for decades and it has been ignored by the masses , infact the race card prevents anyone from saying anything about immigrants - hence your post about "white areas"



posted on Oct, 27 2012 @ 02:32 AM
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Originally posted by stumason
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Of course it is viable, now you're reaching...

The guy I refer to has 3 kids and a wife. Prior to joining the company several years back, he went several months unemployed after the bottom fell out the comms market and I can assure you, he doesn't have any savings of any kind.

It was simply a case that he needed a job and there was one going at our place, so he jerry-rigged a van with a heater, TV and mattress, then the rest is history.

What I am trying to illustrate here is that if there is a will, there is a way. Clearly, there is too much focus on trying to find excuses not to do something that trying to find ways in which you can


You fail to understand that everyone is different , everyone has different wants and needs , you cannot just assume we are all willing to live on the streets and drag our families up + down the country.

People like yourself worry me greatly , if you think it is "alright" to be living in the back of a van simply because we`re "peasants" then i think you seriously need a reality check.



posted on Oct, 27 2012 @ 02:50 AM
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I feel for you guys and I have a shred of light for your particular hell.

Back when I got out of the military I started to wonder wth was really going on with alot of things that it takes a little internet and personal experience to trigger.


There was once an active forums called whywork that is up still for those curious but it covered alot about why we work and what we can do to not let it consume us as human beings.

It went on strong for a while and fell apart to believe it or not life and market forces.

The wisdom eschewed on that site can be a diamond in the ruff for some and we had a few old chaps that you might judge harshly from the UK itself.

I learned much about what is going on and I bet you all could too.



posted on Oct, 27 2012 @ 03:48 AM
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Well at least someone is doing well out of all this, poor old Emma Harrison from a4e. Who has been bullied into taking 8 million pounds of tax payers money to not get people back into work.




posted on Oct, 27 2012 @ 04:13 AM
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I wont aplogise for my blood which is as mixed as any of the american populace really although we are all unique to a larger degree.

The sight i just saw is symptomatic of the stonewalling we all expect out of gov or former abusive gov officials.

They are not all psychos but they all are shared into the way of that light and there is not redirection or impedence obviously.
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posted on Oct, 27 2012 @ 08:25 AM
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Originally posted by aivlas
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Not sure if this is your area but, why the change to the new log sheet and how are you supposed to sustain 20 hours of job seeking a fortnight?

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Originally posted by lewman
These jobless on brand new mobile phones etc.. are either not jobless but working without paying tax, selling drugs or still live with their parents. Believe me on between £60 -£70 a week, life is not full of luxery's and especially when you have to pay almost half of that on bills, I just dont see how anyone could live a life of luxery.


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Dunno anything about the new log sheet - But in all fairness Jobseeking should be a full time job


And I'm not on a high horse or anything - I've only been in this job for 5 months.



posted on Oct, 27 2012 @ 08:42 AM
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I run a busy onsite recruitment office for a major factory here in England. Trust me it's a nightmare job, mostly due to the workers whom have zero concept of work ethics.

Let me give you the three don'ts and the three do's to how to get taken on....

Firstly let’s deal with the don'ts

1. Do not consistently be late for work
2. Do not take sickies all the time
3. Do not moan even when things seem bad

O.k. Now the do's

1. Make an effort to be friendly and courteous to your colleges
2. Always do your best no matter what you are asked to do.
3. Do all hours and overtime when asked especially when no one else will.

If you follow this formula even when working through an agency there is a good chance you will be taken on by the company.

Once you are on the books if you follow the same rules it is an almost sure fire way to be promoted.

Simple really.

Korg.



posted on Oct, 27 2012 @ 09:18 AM
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It's not that I am older I just stated that even though I have put MANY times more money into the pot I would get treated the same as you, did I actually say that I expected MORE, NO I just stated a fact of what would happen if I was in your position.

As for your TORY sword comment
what about those asshol3s before, LABOUR and there spending spree anyway I haven't voted for ages because you just encourage them as Billy Connolly once said.

Well as an exercise I made a call yesterday to see what would happen to me NO help with my mortgage for a few months , no help with my rates that's over £200/month my JSA would be £284 a month would just cover the rates all because my wife works not the best paid job but not the worst either!!



posted on Oct, 27 2012 @ 09:20 AM
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If you read it correctly that REPLY was NOT to you but teapot for butting in and making a comment when he/she had not read all the posts, SO IS THAT OK WITH YOU!!!!
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posted on Oct, 27 2012 @ 01:07 PM
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Well can you go to your bosses and tell them that we would like support when finding new places to live (I have no cash to buy/rent, or should I be living homeless so I can work and pay taxes?) 20 hours is not sustainable for a long period of time, jobs are not infinite which a lot of people seem to think is the case (again we can't all move where ever we like).

Got to add about 50% of the time it's not how good you are at a job it's how you get along with the other employees.
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posted on Oct, 28 2012 @ 05:21 AM
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Originally posted by wmd_2008
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It's not that I am older I just stated that even though I have put MANY times more money into the pot I would get treated the same as you, did I actually say that I expected MORE, NO I just stated a fact of what would happen if I was in your position.

As for your TORY sword comment
what about those asshol3s before, LABOUR and there spending spree anyway I haven't voted for ages because you just encourage them as Billy Connolly once said.

Well as an exercise I made a call yesterday to see what would happen to me NO help with my mortgage for a few months , no help with my rates that's over £200/month my JSA would be £284 a month would just cover the rates all because my wife works not the best paid job but not the worst either!!


Well , like i said , that`s how your post came across .

And like i also said in a previous post , people did not vote to get rid of labour , we voted to get rid of Gordon Brown ..... now he`s gone i`d take ed milliband over david cameron any day as he`s the lesser of two evils. And labour actually know how to govern Britain , Blair and Brown are to blame for thier fall from grace.
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