How "The Powers That Be" get presidents to cooperate?

reply to post by LittleBlackEagle

you mean the same SS that has coc aine and whore parties?

Touche, although I wouldn't want to test their efficiency regardless of how many whore and _____ parties they attended.

reply to post by boncho


Your statement proves nothing. If the character assassination had been fruitful he would not continue to enjoy relevance in national and global politics; as well as being continually well liked by the populace. Simply because something is, does not mean it is what it looks like. You might also be overlooking his pedigree, background, and who he has been, and continues to be close with. Surely, if there was a plan to ruin him, they could have at least gotten more than an acquittal.

Originally posted by Banananananana
reply to post by boncho

 

Your statement proves nothing. If the character assassination had been fruitful he would not continue to enjoy relevance in national and global politics; as well as being continually well liked by the populace. Simply because something is, does not mean it is what it looks like. You might also be overlooking his pedigree, background, and who he has been, and continues to be close with. Surely, if there was a plan to ruin him, they could have at least gotten more than an acquittal.

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Some people have more friends than others, there are plenty that have rebounded, some better than others.

Spitzer continued to make public appearances and engage in media commitments following his resignation. The Washington Post published a Spitzer opinion piece in November 2008 conveying his analysis of the financial crisis of 2008 and suggested remedies. Spitzer concluded the piece by saying that he hoped the Obama Administration would make the right policy choices, "although mistakes I made in my private life now prevent me from participating in these issues as I have in the past."[95] The following month, Slate magazine published the first of a new series of columns by Spitzer dedicated to the economy.[96]
In September 2009, Spitzer joined the City College of New York as an adjunct instructor of political science and is currently teaching an undergraduate course called "Law and Public Policy."[97]
Spitzer took on various public speaking arrangements, beginning with a discussion with the New York chapter of the Entrepreneurs' Organization on June 17, 2009.[98] He also made a number of television appearances in 2009 and 2010, including Real Time with Bill Maher and Campbell Brown, as well as appearing as a substitute anchor on MSNBC. On June 24, 2010, CNN announced that Spitzer would be joining the network to host a "round-table" discussion program alongside center-right Kathleen Parker. Parker Spitzer, compared by some media outlets to the defunct Crossfire, replaced Campbell Brown in the 8:00 p.m. ET timeslot on weeknights starting in October.[99] In February 2011, CNN announced that Parker was leaving the show, which was renamed In the Arena on February 28, 2011. On July 6, 2011, CNN announced it was canceling In the Arena and shifting Anderson Cooper 360° to the 8 p.m. time slot.[100]
On March 30, 2012, Spitzer suddenly joined Current TV in the wake of Keith Olbermann's sudden firing from the network, and immediately began hosting his own program Viewpoint with Eliot Spitzer.[101]

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As I said, there isn't one group of maniacal old white men sitting around a round table calling the shots for everything that happens in the world...

Originally posted by boncho

As I said, there isn't one group of maniacal old white men sitting around a round table calling the shots for everything that happens in the world...

A good puppeteer ensures that their presence is not known. So how would you know?

Originally posted by boncho

Originally posted by Renegade2283
reply to post by texasgirl

 

I wasn't really disappointed about the lack of theories, more about the lack of discussions surrounding the specific example I provided.

Anyways, now that does sound like something from The X-files.

That's because of your specific example is from a TV Show and it reads like it. There are a million methods of control over people, and you chose one example that really isn't probable unless a number of circumstances around it all fit into place.

The first problem with direct action against a sitting president or a member of their family is that they are the highest profile person in the country (and one could argue on the planet). Your suggestion is a messy one that is risky, easily countered, and unrealistic in most situations.

You are also overlooking the fact that whoever has influence in those circles, is somehow directly opposed to the presidents actions while in office.

If you look at the Bush administration, it was pretty clear the largest influence in private and public America during the Bush reign, was all part of the Bush camp itself.

Although I would entertain that Cheney and Rove had far more influence in the whole mess.

Cheney was just bold enough to have a little "hunting accident" too. That's a little movie-ish for you. What did you think about that when it happened? The cartoon columns did the best justice for the event.

edit on 23-10-2012 by boncho because: (no reason given)

It only reads like that to you because you have accepted the subconscious brainwashing that ensures such theories sound preposterous.

Obviously I wasn't referring to people like Bush (who were apart of the "Skull and Bones" I might add). If you were following my other statements in this thread, I said that this likely wouldn't apply to most politicians since they are already willfully obedient. Heck, the Bush family has been involved in politics for a while with a rather obvious agenda.

Originally posted by DENBY
It seems to me that after a mere 4 years in office every President appears to have aged enormously.

Could it be that they are controlled by being made privy to "Things That Man Was Not Meant To Know" ?

Interesting that you would say that because I have just recently watched a documentary about Abraham Lincoln's death and life mask. At one point someone had mistaken Lincoln's life mask for a death mask because he had aged so dramatically while in the white house. Hmmm.........

Originally posted by paraphi
Until someone can come up with a plausible view on who the “powers that be” actually are AND [color=gold] how they manage to keep vast numbers of people under their sway (from presidents, prime ministers etc al, through to the entire population of investigative journalists), I will have to conclude that just like Stargate, the PTB are fantasy.

Regards

Well If I wanted to manage vast numbers of people,
the first thing I would do is introduce
pornography, [color=gold]and ridicule the discussion of law.
Neither of which are really part of western civilization.
Until now.

So that covers how,
but I'm willing to work with you on who.


Mike Grouchy

Originally posted by boncho

Even if it is an empty threat doesn't mean that good people should be subjected to them.. Especially in our country of America!

Based on the premise of a SG 1 episode.

...

Who said that statement was based on the premise of SG-1?

Also, you should watch the show, its very informative, at least on the ancient culture front. Daniel Jackson always has some witty fact to say that pertains to the plot in that episode. It's budget isn't the greatest for the first few seasons, but it got better as the show became more popular. Besides, budget shouldn't be the determining factor on how good a show or movie is. Just look at Star Wars IV: A New Hope

Originally posted by Shuye
The question reminds me of a short Bill Hicks funny film:

Exactly.

Originally posted by paraphi
Until someone can come up with a plausible view on who the “powers that be” actually are AND [color=gold] how they manage to keep vast numbers of people under their sway (from presidents, prime ministers etc al, through to the entire population of investigative journalists), I will have to conclude that just like Stargate, the PTB are fantasy.

Regards

Ummm...... The plausible view was the example provided in the OP. How about I see a direct explanation of how the example was not plausible? Instead you just don't even consider it because it is from Stargate? Oh and Stargates do exist, its a quite ancient word.

Stargates are real

Btw, that thread has a ridiculous amount of posts and flags so it will take time to absorb everything.

reply to post by boncho


In terms of the threat posed, Spitzer is an entirely different ballgame; he would have had more attacks against him than Clinton (in general). Again, you aren't taking pedigree into account, and what the focus was of what Spitzer actually did for a living (which was contrary to the purpose of Clinton). And if you refer back to my first post, I said that non-normative behavior would more likely garner the needed leverage....getting call-girls hardly constitutes non-normative behavior, albeit does carry a stigma. You missed the point in your Wiki linking where the purpose of initial investigation against Spitzer was in the form of possible Bribery. Now, because they could not utilize the bribery aspect, they HAD to use the prostitution charges. Additionally, had they not been seeking him out for possible bribery in the first place, his contacts with escorts would have continued to be hidden. Regardless, Spitzer does not have the same influence he once had and he can no longer take down powerful players. He didn’t need to be crushed to a pulp; only minimized. Clinton on the other hand is still engaged with high level global politics and world influence. Look, if you don't agree that's more than ok, but like I said before, just because something has been served to you a certain way doesn't mean it's been prepared the way you think it has.

reply to post by Banananananana


I agree with some of your statements to a degree. I'm not sure why our positions have to be contradictory. There are some people that will prosper no matter the character assassination levied on them, simply because of the influence, sway and (as you said) pedigree they come from. But it does not limit select individuals from being fully immune from it happening. Some just come out on top depending on where they started in the beginning.

reply to post by Renegade2283

Who said that statement was based on the premise of SG-1?

Also, you should watch the show, its very informative, at least on the ancient culture front. Daniel Jackson always has some witty fact to say that pertains to the plot in that episode. It's budget isn't the greatest for the first few seasons, but it got better as the show became more popular. Besides, budget shouldn't be the determining factor on how good a show or movie is. Just look at Star Wars IV: A New Hope

I've watched every season. The original movie was one of my favourites, and I loved the show (the other spin offs not so much).

In any case, great sci fi show, not close to reality at all.

I would say Suits is more on par with reality than SG1. Mind you, not because of the scifi aspect even, just the way the characters interact, their personalities and the consequences of their actions, no matter what it's related to. One of the best movies I found that encased human character on the big screen, was "There Will Be Blood".

Human Behaviour 101 (In my opinion)

Originally posted by FreebirdGirl

Originally posted by MrUncreated
The presidents are groomed since birth to become presidents. You think the election was rigged only recently?

About time somebody said it. Do you kiddies actually believe "even Lil Johnny can be president"?

And then 9/11 happened.

I doubt they have to resort to threats when a simple display of technological prowess would due just fine to say "hey you are on the winning team now so what do you say?'

That easy.

Hell they convinced me to stop being so stupid but its taking awhile to filter though my skull layers.

Originally posted by boncho


I've watched every season. The original movie was one of my favourites, and I loved the show (the other spin offs not so much).

In any case, great sci fi show, not close to reality at all.

I would say Suits is more on par with reality than SG1. Mind you, not because of the scifi aspect even, just the way the characters interact, their personalities and the consequences of their actions, no matter what it's related to. One of the best movies I found that encased human character on the big screen, was "There Will Be Blood".

Human Behaviour 101 (In my opinion)

Ya, I never got into the spin-offs either. I haven't really got to finish the show because they took it off Netflix, which really angers me considering how much other garbage they have on there. Though I disagree with it not being close to reality, at least on the human interaction front (much like what you said about "Suits"). The shows has so many great lessons to teach (which is why I used it as an example in this thread). You must consider that there budget wasn't the greatest, so it was pretty hard to imagine any of it being anywhere near reality. However, that is what your imagination is for, to fill in the blanks that the budget cant cover.

Also, I really liked "LOST" if you have seen that. Very good at encasing the all the varying human characters as well. It really touches up on how everyone is a hero in there own way. As well as the struggle between good and evil. I really like its message of "Tabula Rasa" or blank slate. Plus, they do a good job of referencing real world philosophers and such (Richard Alpert, John Locke, Joseph Campbell, David Hume, etc....).

Also thanks for the suggestions, I will be sure to check it out.

reply to post by MrUncreated


What is the image in your pro..

It is familiar though a bit different to me from an encounter while 5 yrs of age...so real I cannot decide between dream or reality.

I lean toward dream but....hehe makes me smile to know that my area was quite full of dead humans and I still cannot pin it down.

bit of a frustration really but I lean one way then the other based on brain based memories.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by Renegade2283

 

I don't believe in TPTB in the same way as most of the people here I suspect. I don't think a goal oriented group of elite could accomplish anything because the power struggles would leave them impotent. I think the "evidence" of the existence of such is more like a self fullfilling prophecy. It's just the natural direction of the combined effors of super rich sociopaths.

A bunch of different groups, not working together in reality, but helping themselves and they just tend to need the same things.

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My thought is along these lines more so then others, the only difference is some of the other groups/cabals are aware of the other ones and do help each other out when need be, but i think it's a bunch of cabals with the power going back and fourth to these groups and while it's true group/cabal A might not connect directly to group/cabal B they still can all be connected, but more like dot A connects to dot F which connects to dot M anyway you get my point.

But when we want to make things simple we just lump all the groups/cabals together and call them TPTB or Illuminati...

My take anyway...

Originally posted by boncho

Originally posted by Renegade2283
reply to post by hellobruce

 

Um...... The existence of TPTB. Kinda though it was obvious.

The powers that be is just a loose reference to anyone with some type of control over a group, the masses or certain individuals.

Your mom was probably TPTB when you were growing up. Especially if she was withholding sex from your dad...

Presidents don't need to "keep quiet" about anything, big mouths tend not to get the job. Life isn't so cloak and dagger the way conspiracy nuts make it out to be, if you are thinking that way, it means you are either really gullible, naive, or very sheltered.

I guess you missed this thread with quotes from many ex-presidents, VIP's and celebrities with direct reference to a "cabal" that controls the world, or at least the Western world, which virtually proves the existence of the PTB:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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I didn't see anything in that post that changed my mind, or my position at all...