Originally posted by GeneralMishka
In Christianity, there are different answers
Evangelicals will say you have free will to choose
Apostolic Churches say you must choose & satisfy Church Tradition
Reformed will say you are ELECTED for salvation
Your current point of view appears to be that of the Reformed Church. Just as you could not ask your biological parents to give birth to you, the same is true in the Spiritual realm. God must give you a second birth, and your permission is not required. There are 5 basic principles to this doctrine TULIP
T- Total depravity- you are dead, cant come to faith on your own
U- Unconditional Election- Those chosen are saved
L- Limited Atonement- Christ Sacrifice is only for the Elect
I- Irresistible Grace- One can not deny faith
P- Perserverence- Saints can not fall back into perdition
Do not dare say that there are different answers in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. That is utter ignorance.
Your wisdom, your process, your doctrine, is ridiculous.
"Many are called, few are chosen." in combination with "God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son; that whosoever should believe in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life."
Everyone is giving the opportunity; but those that are chosen are the ones that did not reject that opportunity.
You plant a garden full of tomatoes. Some plants come up strong and good. Other plants do not come up strong and good - although you gave them the same ground and the same water and the same amount of water and time and effort.
Now tell me - do those tomato plants plant themselves? Do they pick the tomatoes off and hand them to you to eat?
You go out to your garden to pick the tomatoes because it is time to harvest them. You choose the fruit from the good plants because they produced good fruit. The plants that died you will not choose from because they produced no fruit. You will pull that plant up so that it does not choke the lively plants.
It is the same with people. All are created; but some do not receive the light and do not receive the water of life; therefore, they do not bear fruit. These were called, but they were not chosen because in them is nothing good. They will be rooted out.
But there will be some who receive the light and receive the water of life; and these will produce very good fruit - some more fruit and some less fruit - but the fruit they produce will be good fruit. These are called; and they are chosen.
Not so sure about that. I don't think there is such a thing. It's all Greek to me.
