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reply posted on 22-10-2012 @ 05:28 AM by icepack
reply to post by RimDaas


you don't decide wether you go to heaven or hell. it is the circumstances and influences, which make your character. the rest is luck or bad luck.



reply posted on 22-10-2012 @ 06:02 AM by Sublimecraft
reply to post by RimDaas



LOL - you are in hell my friend, just take a look around.

When your soul matures to pure love, it will stop being recycled to this God forsaken planet and you will then be in heaven. I believe that this is what Christ taught.

This is the secret the False Religions and False Church's wish to keep from you.

edit on 22-10-2012 by Sublimecraft because: grammar corrections



reply posted on 22-10-2012 @ 06:11 AM by Renegade2283
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So your theory is that we are reincarnated over and over again until we reach a state of pure love, and then we go to heaven?

If so, I think I like that idea. It sounds so much more.......Jesus-like


reply posted on 22-10-2012 @ 06:45 AM by troubleshooter
reply to post by RimDaas


What ... so if you know something is going to happen then you caused it...
...some pretty strange assumptions bro.


reply posted on 22-10-2012 @ 06:45 AM by TarzanBeta
Originally posted by RimDaas
Specifically followers of the Abrahamic religions. I wanted to ask you something. We all know God knows everything that will happen and has happened. We also know that our destiny is already made for us. So let me ask you, if I am atheist, or am polytheistic, or I go against God's books, is it my fault? Why should I go to hell for something which has already been destined for me?


You obviously understand the thing that saves you because you are attempting to debate that very thing.

So your whole argument is simple arrogance - not ignorance.

I would like for you to introduce me to the one person on this planet that has not heard the name "Jesus Christ". Please introduce me to that person whenever you meet them.

Remember - if someone says they met people that did not know who Jesus Christ was, that means they had to reveal His name in order to ask that same people - thereby removing ignorance from that same people.

As well, Jesus Christ has revealed Himself before to people without the aid of other people. So your judgment is once again not based on ignorance; but arrogance and also a lack of understanding or imagination.

But allow me also to help those who might be those things which you are describing - the atheist, the polytheist, and those who do not believe in the Holy Bible.

If you are atheist and you think you have a problem with God; you do not. Your problem is with people and their contrary words and their ways. But you also have the same problem yourself - that you say one thing and try to teach it though you know in your heart that what you have just said is utterly wrong. You know it, you feel it, and yet you still push it because you think to yourself, "What I said is logical. I am just crazy for having other feelings. Why does this craziness enter my brain?" You will not be warned forever. If you continue to fight out of your ignorance and arrogance something which has been given to you, then you will be left to your delusion.

If you are polytheist - I do not know how to help you. You know that you worship dead things. If you do not worship the Beginning and the End, then you are not worshiping the true God. If you do not believe in His Son, His manifestation, Jesus Christ, then you have evil in your heart. Only those who wish to hide from their sins and death are those who have a problem listening to someone that reveals their mistakes; and yet also, He doesn't just expose us but He SAVES us. This is a problem for those who are evil minded because people hate facing the fact that they are, in fact, mortal. So focusing on someone who reminds them of their own mortality is too much to handle also. Polytheists believe what they believe because they want to live in their own "magical world" where they are invulnerable. It is a child's game. But Jesus Christ understands and wants to help you. God loves everyone and understands the pain and the suffering - so give yourself to the true God and you will see that your prayers will no longer be in vain.

If you do not believe in the Holy Bible, then believe in the love that HE shares with you. It is easy for us to be distracted and worrisome that people have modified or changed something - a thing of which many will attempt to convince you. Even then, can you not believe in one part that obviously is not changed? That Jesus Christ, the Son of God, was sent by our heavenly Father to save us and be our God? This is something that no evil or selfish person would have been allowed to manipulate or change and it would have done them no good to leave this thing this way - and it certainly would not have done them any good to change it! So therefore it is there for you to understand. If you have a problem with doctrine and understanding, then maybe God has not given it to you specifically to do anything more than to believe in and obey Jesus Christ and to love in the manner which we should. If you do not want to focus on mortality, then do not. Salvation is belief in Jesus Christ that He died for us that we might be saved from our sins and then obedience to Him because He is become our King.

If you are not willing to do something as simple as be obedient to an All-powerful being, then you are rebellious beyond belief for me. Rebellion is a 3-year old child stomping his feet because he does not want to eat food which is good for him. It's an extremely ugly picture and no one respects or finds humor in that little boy.

So while you all are understood and true believers in the Lord Jesus Christ understand your frustration with self-proclaimed Christians (which is not the same as frustration with God). We have the same frustrations.

And I, myself, am not perfect at ALL. Do not allow your guilt and your imperfections to keep you from God because only HE receives us as we are able to be - if we could be 100% perfect without Him, He would not have sent His Son Jesus Christ.


reply posted on 22-10-2012 @ 06:47 AM by TarzanBeta
Originally posted by Renegade2283
Originally posted by Rapha
Everyone hates Christians which Jesus said would happen.


The majority of Americans (73%) identify themselves as Christians and about 20% have no religious affiliation.


www.pewforum.org...

Really? Do a lot of Christians hate themselves or something?


Those numbers include many "versions" of Christianity that are not Christian. As well, just because someone claims His name, it does not mean that they are of Him.

True believers in the Lord Jesus Christ know WELL that we are actually a minority in this country compared to those who are self-proclaimed - by far.


reply posted on 22-10-2012 @ 06:51 AM by reficul
i guess what is frustrating to me(besides arguing with a christian about god) is trying to explain how religion works to non-religious people!
let me break it down why you are going to hell.
satan told eve to eat from the tree of life,then she would be like god and see good and evil.
she talked adam into eating from the tree as well,even though god told them both,they can take anything from the garden EXCEPT the fruit from the tree of life.
well,leave it to a chick to screw things up (just kidding ladies! this is not my belief!)
after their 'snack',they both could see good and evil,saw themselves naked and got embarassed,and donned some fig leaves to cover up.
then god come strutting by,and asked whats up with the fig leaves,and they fessed up,telling god they ate from the tree of life,and they could see good and evil.
well god got all pissy and kicked them out of the garden,and blocked the entrance with a flaming sword.
this whole episode is called original sin.
now,thanx to eve,woman would feel the pains of child birth(and men would feel the pain of being with a chick who was pregnant!!!
still kidding ladies!)
and everybody born would be born into original sin.
your only salvation is to let jesus christ into your heart,so you can be born again.this is the only way to get to heavan.
where i start asking questions (specially to christians) is how did people get to heavan before jesus showed
up?!!!
do they have to rot in the ground until the rapture???
well,anyway,thats why your going to hell!
don't get me wrong. i love the book of genesis.it is a true magikal grimmoir.
it is full of kabbalistic,and symbolic imagery. and if any one out there practices gematria,there is a wealth of knowledge to be gained from this book!
the first few paragraphs basically explains the big bang theory!
don't let the christians fool you with their version of the garden of eden!
the whole bible is full of wisdom,if you know how to study it!
the book of job is another book that christians have a hard time explaining!
for me,i just wish they would add back all the other books of the bible they left out,because those books didn't 'fit' into the end result the romans wanted!
peace


reply posted on 22-10-2012 @ 07:06 AM by Deetermined
reply to post by RimDaas




Wait but isn't my destiny foreplanned?


No. There's a difference between foreknowledge and foreplanned.

The only thing that was foreplanned was your existence. Just because God has foreknowledge of YOUR free will to choose doesn't mean he planned it. You did.

There's a difference between predetermination and predestination. The first is chosen for you. The latter is chosen by you, even if God already knows which way you're going to choose. God predetermined your existence and let's you choose your own destiny.

It was not God's plan to force people to follow him. He allows you to make that choice.


reply posted on 22-10-2012 @ 07:08 AM by TarzanBeta
Originally posted by reficul
i guess what is frustrating to me(besides arguing with a christian about god) is trying to explain how religion works to non-religious people!
let me break it down why you are going to hell.
satan told eve to eat from the tree of life,then she would be like god and see good and evil.
she talked adam into eating from the tree as well,even though god told them both,they can take anything from the garden EXCEPT the fruit from the tree of life.
well,leave it to a chick to screw things up (just kidding ladies! this is not my belief!)
after their 'snack',they both could see good and evil,saw themselves naked and got embarassed,and donned some fig leaves to cover up.
then god come strutting by,and asked whats up with the fig leaves,and they fessed up,telling god they ate from the tree of life,and they could see good and evil.
well god got all pissy and kicked them out of the garden,and blocked the entrance with a flaming sword.
this whole episode is called original sin.
now,thanx to eve,woman would feel the pains of child birth(and men would feel the pain of being with a chick who was pregnant!!!
still kidding ladies!)
and everybody born would be born into original sin.
your only salvation is to let jesus christ into your heart,so you can be born again.this is the only way to get to heavan.
where i start asking questions (specially to christians) is how did people get to heavan before jesus showed
up?!!!
do they have to rot in the ground until the rapture???
well,anyway,thats why your going to hell!
don't get me wrong. i love the book of genesis.it is a true magikal grimmoir.
it is full of kabbalistic,and symbolic imagery. and if any one out there practices gematria,there is a wealth of knowledge to be gained from this book!
the first few paragraphs basically explains the big bang theory!
don't let the christians fool you with their version of the garden of eden!
the whole bible is full of wisdom,if you know how to study it!
the book of job is another book that christians have a hard time explaining!
for me,i just wish they would add back all the other books of the bible they left out,because those books didn't 'fit' into the end result the romans wanted!
peace



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