IMF's epic plan to conjure away debt and dethrone bankers, page 1


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Topic started on 22-10-2012 @ 04:49 AM by soulshn

IMF's epic plan to conjure away debt and dethrone bankers


www.telegraph.co.uk
So there is a magic wand after all. A revolutionary paper by the International Monetary Fund claims that one could eliminate the net public debt of the US at a stroke, and by implication do the same for Britain, Germany, Italy, or Japan...

...Specifically, it means an assault on "fractional reserve banking". If lenders are forced to put up 100pc reserve backing for deposits, they lose the exorbitant privilege of creating money out of thin air.
(visit the link for the full news article)


reply posted on 22-10-2012 @ 05:03 AM by ChaoticOrder
reply to post by soulshn



Specifically, it means an assault on "fractional reserve banking". If lenders are forced to put up 100pc reserve backing for deposits, they lose the exorbitant privilege of creating money out of thin air.

People have been saying this for ages. I highly doubt they are going to implement this so called "assault". Bankers love fractional reserve banking too much.


reply posted on 22-10-2012 @ 05:10 AM by ChaoticOrder
reply to post by boncho



why is this coming out of the IMF?

That was my first thought too... it seems all very strange to me.

On the topic of mortgages... think about what fractional reserve banking is. The bank can loan out a lot more than what it actually holds in its reserves. If they were forced to have reserves equal to their deposits and balances, then wouldn't that mean they would have to back all those mortgages with real reserves instead of money they have created out of thin air through fractional reserve banking?


reply posted on 22-10-2012 @ 05:20 AM by magma
reply to post by ChaoticOrder



So the reality is it could never work unless asset values were inflated to cover the shortfalls in losses in the absorbtion.

Smells like severe hyperinflation to me.

Imagine the bad debt contingency
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reply posted on 22-10-2012 @ 05:24 AM by phroziac
Originally posted by magma
reply to
post by ChaoticOrder



So the reality is it could never work unless asset values were inflated to cover the shortfalls in losses in the absorbtion.

Smells like sever hyperinflation to me.

Imagine the bad debt contingency

Throwing the head bankers out high rise windows would work.


reply posted on 22-10-2012 @ 05:24 AM by soulshn
reply to post by BlindBastards



Yes, there would be pullbacks, but there must. The current fractional reserve system is dependant on perpetual exponential growth, something that is obviously unsustainable.

When money is de-facto created as debt there will never be enough money to pay the debt. Every time the central banks lend $100 to the government they have created $100.50 in debt. We are only digging ourselves deeper and deeper with no end in sight.
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reply posted on 22-10-2012 @ 05:27 AM by boncho
reply to post by ChaoticOrder



Yes, completely changing the way lending is now. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing. What's interesting is the recent market changes which made gold go up so high in value. How did the IMF fair in all that?

The IMF held 90.5 million ounces (2,814.1 metric tons) of gold at designated depositories at mid-August 2012. The IMF’s total gold holdings are valued on its balance sheet at SDR 3.2 billion (about $4.8 billion) on the basis of historical cost. As of August 17, 2012, the IMF's holdings amounted to $146.1 billion at current market prices.


5 billion into 150 aint bad.

The IMF acquired its current gold holdings prior to the Second Amendment through four main types of transactions.
First, when the IMF was founded in 1944 it was decided that 25 percent of initial quota subscriptions and subsequent quota increases were to be paid in gold. This represents the largest source of the IMF's gold.
Second, all payments of charges (interest on member countries' use of IMF credit) were normally made in gold.
Third, a member wishing to acquire the currency of another member could do so by selling gold to the IMF. The major use of this provision was sales of gold to the IMF by South Africa in 1970–71.
And finally, member countries could use gold to repay the IMF for credit previously extended.


The IMF has been lending out their money to poor nations and let them pay the interest back in gold.



Sweet deal.

September 18, 2009, the IMF Executive Board approved gold sales strictly limited to 403.3 metric tons, representing one eighth of the Fund's total holdings of gold at that time.


www.imf.org...

From the paper outlined in the OP:

I read what it says for households a couple times but I don't really get it:

Upon the announcement of the transition, due to the full buy-back of household debt by
the government, all households become unconstrained. We model previously distinct
households as identical post-transition by setting the population share parameter to
ωt = 1 from the transition period onwards. The new overall budget constraint correctly
reflects the inherited assets and liabilities of both household groups. In the transition
period households only pay the net interest charges on past debts incurred by constrained
households to the banking sector. The principal is instantaneously cancelled against
banks’ new borrowing from the treasury, after part of the latter has been transferred to
the above-mentioned restricted private accounts and then applied to loan repayments.
From that moment onwards the household sector has zero net bank debt30, while their
financial assets consist of government bonds and deposits, the latter now being 100%
reserve backed.


So household debt is wiped out, but why does it say their financial assets would now be government bonds and deposits?

What it says about the banks, is that their business model would shift to only giving out investment loans?

The critical feature of this model is that the economy’s money
supply is created by banks, through debt, rather than being created debt-free by the
government.
Our analytical and simulation results fully validate Fisher’s (1936) claims. The Chicago
Plan could significantly reduce business cycle volatility caused by rapid changes in banks’
attitudes towards credit risk, it would eliminate bank runs, and it would lead to an
instantaneous and large reduction in the levels of both government and private debt. It
would accomplish the latter by making government-issued money, which represents equity
in the commonwealth rather than debt, the central liquid asset of the economy, while
banks concentrate on their strength, the extension of credit to investment projects that
require monitoring and risk management expertise. We find that the advantages of the

Chicago Plan go even beyond those claimed by Fisher. One additional advantage is large
steady state output gains due to the removal or reduction of multiple distortions,
including interest rate risk spreads, distortionary taxes, and costly monitoring of
macroeconomically unnecessary credit risks. Another advantage is the ability to drive
steady state inflation to zero in an environment where liquidity traps do not exist, and
where monetarism becomes feasible and desirable because the government does in fact
control broad monetary aggregates. This ability to generate and live with zero steady
state inflation is an important result, because it answers the somewhat confused claim of
opponents of an exclusive government monopoly on money issuance, namely that such a
monetary system would be highly inflationary.


www.imf.org...


reply posted on 22-10-2012 @ 05:36 AM by magma
reply to post by boncho



This translates for the householder all debt being converted pro rata and the security being transfered to the government.

Ummmm. NWO .


reply posted on 22-10-2012 @ 05:40 AM by BlindBastards
reply to post by soulshn



When you say “pullbacks” you mean a depression? I know how the system of debt currency works. I know it’s a house of cards. I don’t see any other way; continue with the charade, but maybe try to gradually scale it back over the course of years and let it bleed out slowly and throw all the crooks in jail or abolish it and send the Western world into another great depression, one that would be incredibly difficult to near impossible to break. How could you break it when no one has money and credit/fractional banking no longer exists?

The hole has already been dug very deep for us by relatively few. There’s no easy, quick nor painless way out of it what we’re in.
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