Why Most Entitlement Systems Do Not Work In An Intelligent Society!

reply to post by ModernAcademia


You do realize that Germany has approximately double Canada's population, right? Canada isn't a "large" country at all population-wise, and our "socialist" system works just fine, thank you very much.

Originally posted by ShadeWolf
reply to post by ModernAcademia

 

You do realize that Germany has approximately double Canada's population, right? Canada isn't a "large" country at all population-wise, and our "socialist" system works just fine, thank you very much.

I have relatives in Canada that would refute that argument quite loudly.

They're an emotional lot though.

Originally posted by neo96

So are you telling me that Finland Denmark Sweden Germany Austria Are not intelligent societies?

Nope they aren't,

People forgotten just exactly how and why this country was formed?

To get away from the stupidity in Europe, and now some are busy little bees trying to turn the US in to Europe.

Robbing from the rich giving to the poor came from Europe in case people forgot Robbin Hood,

Since 1935 all that ideology has done is turn over have this nation's people in to Sherwoods forest, and their saviors Robbing hood the Potus, and Friar tuck Vpotus, are all too happy to oblige.

Entiltlement systems do not work,and never will because right now there are more people consuming that wealth that paying back in to it.

But then again all that money stolen ends up in those corporate pockets well hip hip hoorah for the fascists of this country under the guise of they are just looking out for the "poor".

In an intelligent society the entitlement mentality would never exist.

You are correct that in an intelligent society such a system wouldn't exist. An intelligent society would realize they are only as strong as their weakest link, thus it would insure it's bottom levels had the means for a moderate existence. Giving the lower society those means could only come from more even distribution of wealth. I'm pretty sure you are against this as well.

Originally posted by muse7
So are you telling me that

Finland
Denmark
Sweden
Germany
Austria

Are not intelligent societies?

These countries have a well established welfare system for their citizens that need it. Sure there might be people who abuse it, but that does not mean that a country should not look after its citizens that need the help, and no one is "redistributing" anything. The government creates the welfare system by using money taken from taxes. As you might already know, every citizen is supposed to pay taxes if they are working and receive a certain amount of income.

Please stop selling your feudalistic society, because the working poor are getting fed up with conservatives that want the poor to wait under the table for scraps to be thrown at them.

You missed the entire point of the video. The Use of or Threat of FORCE to ensure compliance is what makes it wrong. If I believe differently from you, why must you advocate the use of force against me to fund things you desire? That is the epitome of evil imo. Allow me to live my life, and I will allow you to live yours. Don't use force, or hire(elect) others to do so in order to make others do the things you want done. Why not just lead by example? Do those things yourself that you believe should be done. Allow others to be inspired to help you do the things you think should be done. As soon as force enters the equation, you become a tyrant.

Your government MUST provide essential services.

It MUST do so in order for it's citizens to be healthy, informed and competitive on the world stage.

SOME entitlement programs are essential services.

It's not a matter of "Entitlement Programs Don't Work", it's " Crappy Entitlement Programs Don't Work"

Static and unchanging Entitlement programs dont' work. Had social security been revised, update and just plain taken care of since it was created, you'd not be in the mess you are in.

Same with Medicare & Medicaid. Same with all the social programs you have. They were basically created and then left to be run by morons with the same tenants from 2o or 30 years ago. THe only changes being spending entitlements for the program and changes in eligibility, not how the actual program is run, and distrubuted.

Please save the "government isn't EVER going to be competent" argument. That's a huge fallacy and is actually one of the prime methods of control in the modern age.

Convince the layman that NO AMMOUNT of cooperation between himself, his opponents or allies can ammount to a stable system.

Demoralizing Human Achievement is one of the largest conspiracies of our time.

~Tenth

reply to post by ModernAcademia


I think that when people need assistance, they can get a card that has a limit and a list of what to get. For example like wheat bread, fruit, milk and healthy foods. There are many people today abusing these ebt cards and buying all kinds of crap. And when someone says not to help them 100%. i agree with that because if you help someone like that, they will become dependent on you. take some people on welfare. they get so used to getting these checks for sitting at home, that they do not try to get jobs. and they try to keep on the path of receiving money from a big power for free. It is alot like dominoes. If the head person falls, everyone else will. i say this because if people rely on the government, and the government falls, what are the people going to do?

I can also see helping people at first if something tragic happens. it is alot like training wheels on a bike. after of helping them so much you take the training wheels off and they are on their own. The only problem with today's society is that we lost the wrench to take off the wheels.

Ok: the start of the video correctly points out that government can only redistribute resources it has earlier collected somewhere else.

But let us look for a second at a small business that sells widgets to customers.
They collect money from their customers, give it to their suppliers and keep a part.
Humm... they just redistribute, they don't produce anything...
But thats a middleman, right? Doesn't suprise that middlemen add little.
Ok, lets look at one of the most basic production units: Farm

Give money to folks to tend the crops, collect it from your customers, and keep a part of it.
Humm.... They too only redistribute?

But the customers aren't forced you say?
Well, first if you want to have anything resembling law, you need an entity "enforcing" them.
A law that isn't enforced is a suggestion.
And you too can escape any taxation! Stop working and sell all the property you have, and you are no longer forced to pay taxes!

Y'all need to stop confusing the principals of a society that takes care of it's citizens through education, healthcare and providing the structure for a fair marketplace that allows up-starts to compete with the "big boys".

It's not a system of providing entitlement to your fellow countrymen.

It's a system of empowering your fellow countrymen.

I am tired of conservatives

Sucking tremendous ass with this Darwin for all bull crap, massive success and help for the poor can exist in
the same country.

If the half witted politicians who let the banks go whole hog would just commit suicide, the world would
be a better place.

There will always be rich people and poor people, suffering is the option, conservatives should just
go to hell or STFU and let those of us with a conscience mitigate the social ills related to poverty.

Originally posted by DarthMuerte

Originally posted by muse7
So are you telling me that

Finland
Denmark
Sweden
Germany
Austria

Are not intelligent societies?

These countries have a well established welfare system for their citizens that need it. Sure there might be people who abuse it, but that does not mean that a country should not look after its citizens that need the help, and no one is "redistributing" anything. The government creates the welfare system by using money taken from taxes. As you might already know, every citizen is supposed to pay taxes if they are working and receive a certain amount of income.

Please stop selling your feudalistic society, because the working poor are getting fed up with conservatives that want the poor to wait under the table for scraps to be thrown at them.

You missed the entire point of the video. The Use of or Threat of FORCE to ensure compliance is what makes it wrong. If I believe differently from you, why must you advocate the use of force against me to fund things you desire? That is the epitome of evil imo. Allow me to live my life, and I will allow you to live yours. Don't use force, or hire(elect) others to do so in order to make others do the things you want done. Why not just lead by example? Do those things yourself that you believe should be done. Allow others to be inspired to help you do the things you think should be done. As soon as force enters the equation, you become a tyrant.

If you wanna go there.

why and the hell are we FORCED to participate in this money based society?

This system and world that lets tens of thousands of people die a day for lack of food is far more tyrannical.

Forcing this evil on humanity is tyranny

Originally posted by sligtlyskeptical

You are correct that in an intelligent society such a system wouldn't exist. An intelligent society would realize they are only as strong as their weakest link, thus it would insure it's bottom levels had the means for a moderate existence. Giving the lower society those means could only come from more even distribution of wealth. I'm pretty sure you are against this as well.

*!
Your post made me dig up an old thought of mine.:
What if politicians were were only compensated according to the worse off amongst us in society?
It would be a reflection of political performance.


Social conditions would start improving overnight, by helping those falling behind, they'd be helping themselves, that's what politicians do.
In our society, our rulers seem to benefit financially weather they improve our society or not.

sounds like a good argument for not having any gov't whatsoever....doesn't it????

I mean a gov't has to have power to have any standing whatsoever as a gov't...
in the best case scenerio, the citizens give them that power in exchange for certain things, like protection, security, ect...
in order for the gov't to deliver those things, the gov't has to have the power to use force if need be... the society wants the gov't to provide protection from the the barbarians living beyond the mountain, well, the gov't has to raise a standing army to protect, but none of the citizens wants to be part of that army.....
so does the gov't not protect and let the barbarians raze the country, or does it conscript some to create this army???

so, well, no gov't will eventually equal chaos...
since there will always be barbarians, since the people will always want certain things that require a cooperative effort amoung the citizens...

Originally posted by muse7
So are you telling me that

Finland
Denmark
Sweden
Germany
Austria

Are not intelligent societies?

These countries have a well established welfare system for their citizens that need it. Sure there might be people who abuse it, but that does not mean that a country should not look after its citizens that need the help, and no one is "redistributing" anything. The government creates the welfare system by using money taken from taxes. As you might already know, every citizen is supposed to pay taxes if they are working and receive a certain amount of income.

Please stop selling your feudalistic society, because the working poor are getting fed up with conservatives that want the poor to wait under the table for scraps to be thrown at them.

Those are extremely wealthy countries with tiny populations. Those countries are smaller than a U.S. state.