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Topic started on 21-10-2012 @ 08:07 PM by magma

Farmers blamed for deadly quake


www.news.com.au
FARMERS drilling wells to water their crops likely contributed to a deadly earthquake in southern Spain last year.
The findings, published in a new study, may add to concerns about the effects of new energy extraction and waste disposal technologies.
Nine people died and nearly 300 were injured when an unusually shallow magnitude-5.1 quake hit the town of Lorca on May 11, 2011. It was the country's worst quake in more than 50 years, causing millions of euros in damage to a region with an already fragile economy.
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reply posted on 21-10-2012 @ 08:48 PM by Swills
reply to post by magma


Well hell, if farmers are to blame for earth quakes just by digging wells then what the hell is fracking to blame for?
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reply posted on 21-10-2012 @ 08:52 PM by soficrow
reply to post by magma


Lots of human activities cause quakes - dam building, seismic testing, drilling for oil. Funny how it's small farmers taking the heat.


reply posted on 21-10-2012 @ 08:55 PM by kdog1982
Originally posted by Swills
reply to post by magma


Well hell, if farmers are to blame for earth quakes just by digging wells then what the hell is fracking to blame for?
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It's all the same premise.

Adding and subtracting water in the ground close to faults,causing alot of issues and changes to to local geography.

In this particular case,it was the subtraction of ground water to such an extreme the the earth's faults shifted a bit.


reply posted on 21-10-2012 @ 08:56 PM by Swills
reply to post by kdog1982


Point is, how many more earth quakes have we suffered because of all the fracking going on? I'm guessing a lot.

John Lennon's kid and Yoko have written a protest song about fracking and are asking NY's governor to cease and desist.

Yoko Ono, Sean Lennon Urge New York Governor to Delay 'Fracking' Deadline



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reply posted on 21-10-2012 @ 09:18 PM by kdog1982
Originally posted by Swills
reply to post by kdog1982


Point is, how many more earth quakes have we suffered because of all the fracking going on? I'm guessing a lot.

John Lennon's kid and Yoko have written a protest song about fracking and are asking NY's governor to cease and desist.

Yoko Ono, Sean Lennon Urge New York Governor to Delay 'Fracking' Deadline




Point taken.
But what is going on with fracking is affecting a larger population then before there was fracking and earthquakes were a natural occurrence.
So now,it's a concern.
That needs to be taken into account.
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reply posted on 21-10-2012 @ 09:19 PM by winofiend
reply to post by Swills


Aww you just don't get it. See, it's like this. Those frackers have like, scientists behind them and guys with clip boards and white coats, who point at the ground and say "Ummmm..." then move a few feet left, point at the ground and go "Ummmm...." then move back to the first spot and point, going "Ummmm. Ahhhhhhh!" then staring at the spot... then declaring "Studies have proven that this is the spot where we can do the most exploding of things and blowing up of stuff, and it will do whatever it is we're trying to do, and within a 100% safety margin."

Farmers, who do they think they are. All they have is a cow. And that cow doesn't care about that spot. But does the farmer bother to do such intricate scientific testing to determine if his well will cause catastrophic land stability failure? Not a jot. He's a farmer. They only care for themselves. Should be locked up, the lot of them for the damage they do to the environment with their sheep and pigs..

Why I even heard that some farmers have the gall to complain about being charged for rain that falls on their property if they pool it. As if the rain that falls from the sky is theirs. Farmers. arrogant lot of no good for nothings..

I tells ya.
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reply posted on 21-10-2012 @ 09:21 PM by Maxmars
Originally posted by Swills
reply to post by magma


Well hell, if farmers are to blame for earth quakes just by digging wells then what the hell is fracking to blame for?
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Indeed, the logic is sound.

Why do I foresee a sudden 'redefinition' of the 'cause' versus the 'damage?'

As we hollow the ground beneath us by thoughtless exploitation of what's down there, we may be weakening the ability for the land to endure seismic activity as it used to. Perhaps water in the soil can increase it's plasticity, and its ability to rebound from large shocks..? or even relatively small ones; depending on how much change has occurred.

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reply posted on 21-10-2012 @ 09:39 PM by winofiend
Originally posted by freedomSlave
Like with every thing profit trumps all there is no regard for the world we leave our children and our grand children .

What is even more disturbing is the amount of food waste of what we throw out and the amount of waste from food expiring of the shelves at the store . And kids still go to bed hungry in our own countries
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We've been regulated and legislated to the eyeballs.

Imagine a small starving kid behind a very tall very wide glass wall, that on the other side he can see truckload after truckload of good food being dumped into a huge waste hole in the ground.

That's how I feel.

Can't take the food, because it might make you sick and you can sue the company who threw it out, or you cant take the left overs because it may constitute a loss of profit and they would rather taint the food ruining it for consumption that let anyone take it. Or it may simply be against the law to take good food out of a receptacle that has been provided for the disposal of food stuffs.

All for our safety or protection you see.

And every time it's time for garbage collection when people throw out large household items, and the councel comes along to collect the waste, once a year, I see old computers, big old tube tv's, stereo systems, all sorts of stuff.

I scored a working decent pentium4 2.6Ghz machine complete with workding hard drive a few months ago. They didn't even wipe the hard drive of data. Full of emails, images, etc.

The throw away society.

It's illegal to take things out of a dump.

We're tied and bound so tight by legislation that we're too busy trying to breath to notice we're suffocating faster than ever.


reply posted on 21-10-2012 @ 09:45 PM by winofiend
reply to post by Maxmars


The problem here is the water table is affected by many things, and will change levels over time. If the land above is full of growth, it will pull the water up. Cut down the vegetation, it will stay lower.

So any changes really that a farmer makes to affect the water table, should not make any real impact, at least not from my point of view.

Farming has been going on a long long time. Irrigation has changed the surface of the earth, and especially in very arid lands where underground water would be exploited to the hilt, it's a little bit of a kick in the nose to expect people to now look at farmers and point the finger, when behind them stands a company with no face, and a very very big drill..


reply posted on 22-10-2012 @ 12:52 AM by magma
reply to post by neo96

Farmers blamed for deadly quake?


Crazy huh?

And people buy that?

I am sure that some will

Some one drilling a well does not cause an earthquake, tectonic plates that are moving agianst each other creating billions,trillions of pounds of pressure per square inch over miles,.

The core of the issue is the depleted water basin, not the actual drilling of the holes

That was utter nonsense, and I can't believe how many people jumped on that train.

I think it is the interpretation and the headline. Curious though what people are you talking about?



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