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Originally posted by zonetripper2065
I'm not in Israel and I'm not in Iran. They both really want their war let them have it. I dont care anymore....
Originally posted by Xzorter
reply to post by dontreally
Excactly Don,
I just let out a deep breath and ask myself " do I want to respond to these ignorant posts?"
Any nation that is seriously threatened by a leader that is unstable enough to carry his evil, needs to be confronted and eliminated. The Israelies are wise people and we ( of course ) will support that strategic nation to fight and defend itself against evil threats.
People say "war is never the answer"... Really? Let's go through history.
Let the dribble begin. ..
Well i gave you the website as documentary sources.
My knowledge comes from friends who are Jewish and are themselves against what is going on right now, but I can hardly be expected to provide verbal first hand evidence can I?
If you want to find out, do as I did and research stuff and make a few friends with those who have first hand experience.
I have tried to present things sensibly but I am not going to get drawn into a pointless debate over symantics!
Originally posted by Wirral Bagpuss
reply to post by dontreally
From all over really, friends who know these things who are against zionism in Israel but I think this website sums it up pretty well
Zionism
This is, unfortunately, a little-known fact - that Zionism is constantly criticized by the fervently Orthodox Jews - critics whose opposition is not predicated on the political correctness of our point in time, and that these detractors do so under pain of physical torture. The secular establishment, which by and large celebrates Zionism as a replacement for Judaism, a transformation that does not mandate any religious observance per se, hogs the traditional media venues and will not be party to letting the voice of the observant Jew, be known. The worldwide Jewish Federations, Jewish Agency and similar organizations claim to speak for all Jews but actually represent only the views of a misguided segment of the Jewish people. "Israel" today is equated with "Jew" - but what a travesty! The Israeli government is quite happy to have gotten away with this fraud, and certainly won't allow news of any cracks in the mask to be recognized. The average reader today will not see this in the press, because the powers to be, don't want you to know this.
But as the pictures and articles on this site demonstrate, opposition to Zionism from within Judaism is not a fringe movement but rather, an intrinsic characteristic and a mainstay of Judaism itself. This opposition has continually suffersd bloodshed and tremendous tragedy. Jews who are loyal to the Torah find it imperative to have the following points on the record:
*Zionism is not Judaism.
*The founding principles of Zionism run counter to Judaism.
*The State of "Israel" does not represent the Jewish people.
*Aggressive acts committed in the name of Zionism are crimes and not religious imperatives.
*Zionists have no right to commit violent acts towards anyone — neither Palestinian nor Jew
Originally posted by Xzorter
reply to post by dontreally
Excactly Don,
I just let out a deep breath and ask myself " do I want to respond to these ignorant posts?"
Any nation that is seriously threatened by a leader that is unstable enough to carry his evil, needs to be confronted and eliminated. The Israelies are wise people and we ( of course ) will support that strategic nation to fight and defend itself against evil threats.
People say "war is never the answer"... Really? Let's go through history.
Let the dribble begin. ..
Please calm down before you give yourself nightmares and pee the bed. Did you forget your meds this morning?
Nothing is going to happen, other than Irans nuke facilities getting smashed, and while they are at it, get rid of the ability to aid terrorism, and while they are at it, get rid of the stone age leadership there.
See? its not so bad now you have taken a few breaths and calmed down a bit.
Don't include me in your we. Israel didn't even exist until others had to claim the country as a haven for Jews to go to. Before then it was Palestine.
Originally posted by dontreally
Why are you making up history for? The Jews began making 'aliyah' to the holy land in the 1880s. The Jewish Egency was setup in 1908 - 40 years before the founding of the state.
Where did they move to? The Ottoman province of Syria-Palestine, with it's administrative capital in Damascus. There was no Palestinian people. Most of the owners of 'palestinian' land lived hundred of miles away in Damascus, whom the Jewish agency legally bought land from.
So....????
Originally posted by Xzorter
reply to post by Sissel
"We" meaning the ones that make strategic decisions regarding the benefit of United States by defending Israel And it's place and home in the middle east.
Got a copy of the originald deed, have you?