reply to post by JDmOKI
The US would never allow nukes in Cuba and Russia knew this and was posturing in defense or their "ally" in that region. The Russians knew the
impact such a move would make weather of not they were ready for war with the US is debatable.
We are in agreement here. But the fact that the Soviets (lets call them that since Russia today is different and before it was a lot more than Russia
and the Stalinist ideology) took the chance demonstrates the willingness to at least risk that war, even if it was a calculated risk. Imagine if the
missiles hadn't been detected until they had became operational. There wouldn't be any war, but the US would be in a very bad situation in terms of
defense and nuclear strategy. The fact remains that the Soviets did win the match, even their first declared goal (the protection of Cuba from a US
The Cuban situation, their own creation had put the US in a very bad position. The world was a bit different then lots of more unaligned nations. The
Bay of Pigs was again not only a major fail but had shown the world at large how the US conducted their policies. If we add to that the naval blockade
of Cuba (a extremely illegal operation by international law) was a defacto prelude of a declaration of war to Cuba and the Soviet Union.
I'm extremely irritated when I see Americans making a distinction between the UN and the US government in several threads. I have attempted to
demonstrate that it demonstrates extreme ignorance in regards to history and past events. This is another one of the cases that proves that the UN in
general terms works as a US lead geopolitical tool (not strictly an extension of the us US government but almost, it wouldn't have any credibility if
it was so transparent). I think that ATS would benefit from a larger discussion in regards to the UN to demystify the wrong notion that it is the UN
that dictates US policy...
I'm stating that if Russia didn't back down that the direct effect would have been war, which is obvious.
I do not believe that the Soviet had any intention in going to war, they just took the chance to make some bold moves in the "chess game". We are
also in agreement there. I also do not believe that they had any certitude that they wouldn't be detected, to me it was the best move made during the
Cold War, closely fallowed by the creation of NATO.
send all of our military home to protect our own soil. Let the rest of the world defend themselves and only supply humanitarian aid through our navy.
That way when I do go to Europe or Australia I don't have to be talked down to like an ignorant American.
I hope that you realize that as a super power your military can not retreat inside your borders, that that view would ultimately result in probably
China taking over the world stage a lot faster (again a US created problem) and a lot of conflicts getting out of hand (that is being resolved by
other forces that wouldn't be working for the benefit of the US).
"ignorant American" today has been completely changed from cold war times. Before it was mostly an image prevalent in Europe and mostly due to the
general type of tourist (mostly to France). To a point it was also driven by a bit of jealousness due to standard of living of the American middle
class allied with the demonstrative lack of knowledge about the world outside US borders and a somewhat lack of respect for local cultures. This image
has long past, probably died in the 90's...