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posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 10:11 AM
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It just swings me to the search function. But then sometimes when I click on a reply, it just takes me to the top of a thread. It maybe my relationship with ats.




posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 10:39 AM
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continued - I ran out of room

3 months after she died I threw out all the medication.
That was 1995.
I spent the next 14 yrs never touching ANY drugs, medication, or alcohol. I just drink TONS of coffee.
I worked that whole time in human services helping people with mental health problems.
I burned through relations with coworkers so bad I had to always work multiple jobs, so I had a back up in case I got fired. This was fine with me. I usually had a lot of energy so it was easy for me to pull double shifts 2nd into 3rd then hit home to sleep.
I had problems in school. Smart but really difficult to organize my thoughts.
I wanted to go back to school. I was in my early 30s then and thought maybe I should get tested for ADHD since the meds would help me get through school.
They did a ton of tests and evaluations for the assessment.
So that diagnosis was ADHD & PTSD ( from traumas not war)
That Dr explain how my brain processed information differently.
He also went on and on about how many people usually get bipolar diagnosis first, since the cycles look similar. The ADHD cycles are rapid daily/hourly vs the bipolar that span weeks/months.
So I was on ADHD medication. This would've been great but I had a bad incident happen.
I contracted a parasitic infection that penetrated the blood brain barrier.
They treated it. (I just didn't know it wasn't gone)
At the same time I put in for a case manager position that involved a lot of paperwork. It probably would've been a great job for someone who is organized and used to tedious boring paperwork piles. But not me. I had 2 panic attacks that landed me in the ER within 2 months of getting the new job.
I have to skip a bunch of stuff, it's all about that infection.
So on to my last hospitalization.
Some infections cause psychosis. I had to argue with Dr to rule out a medical cause(infection) for my episodes.
They tested for the infection I was previously treated for and I was still positive for it.
So they adjusted the initial assessment from nonspecific mood disorder to mood disorder w/ psychosis and added the medical cause(infection) so I could be given my antibiotics with mood stabilizers/anti-psychotics. I still didn't like them and they didn't work.
The medication has to match the DSM -IV diagnosis and treatment.
Someone asked you about Adderall. That is a stimulant used to treat ADHD.
Most people with undiagnosed ADHD will gravitate toward stimulants.Coffee, amphetamine, and illegal uppers.

I am still fighting my infection - I didn't name it because there is a lot of controversy and a few conspiracy theories about it too.
It is one that exacerbates mood symptoms.
I'm still working all of this out.
I can see why people don't like their meds. It really sucks walking around like a senseless zombie.
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posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 11:40 AM
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Why do I say it can be just a chemical imbalance, which by the way is nothing to be ashamed of, it just is. Just as sickle cell anemia, hemophilia (in which an important chemical in the blood is missing), and many other disorders, just happen as a result of gene combinations which the person and their parents have no control over.

I would love to see people acknowledge that brain disorders/diseases happen just like they do in other parts of the body. If treatment helps then no one should be afraid of getting or admitting to treatment. I take blood pressure medicine, should I look back to a childhood trauma, no. Did living with a BHD "cause" it, probably not, my grandmother, father, grandfather all had high blood pressure. Can I treat it naturally, well I could try, but natural self treatment doesn't have the success rate my tiny pill has.

Why should the BPH live a life that makes people so miserable around them that they become alienated by people who really get close to them and ultimately rejected by primary relationships dooming them to a life of secondary relationships. That's what "causes" a lot of suicides in BHD, a lot of people really like them alot, but the people who come to matter ultimately normally can't handle the emotional swings.

Taking medication has changed our lives dramatically, yes there are a few complaints of mood suppression, but that is what the medication is designed to do, suppress manic behavior, which is quite addictive much like coc aine and meth. Except the "drug" is coming from within their own blood chemistry, not their fault, and is a disorder like high blood pressure that for optimal life needs medication.



posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by grandmakdw
Why do I say it can be just a chemical imbalance, which by the way is nothing to be ashamed of, it just is. Just as sickle cell anemia, hemophilia (in which an important chemical in the blood is missing), and many other disorders, just happen as a result of gene combinations which the person and their parents have no control over.


Because it doesn't get to the root cause. It's just a cop-out. Very few disorders/disease cases are purely genetic.


I would love to see people acknowledge that brain disorders/diseases happen just like they do in other parts of the body. If treatment helps then no one should be afraid of getting or admitting to treatment. I take blood pressure medicine, should I look back to a childhood trauma, no. Did living with a BHD "cause" it, probably not, my grandmother, father, grandfather all had high blood pressure. Can I treat it naturally, well I could try, but natural self treatment doesn't have the success rate my tiny pill has.


It would help me to take heroine when I'm in pain, but I'm not stupid enough to take it. Same goes for blood pressure medication. We're introducing things into our body which the body does not adequately discriminate and make exact use of. The more natural the treatment, the more likely the body can make best use of it. This should make intuitive sense. If not, maybe you should do the homework. If not, all good. Take your pills. I have effectively treated my high blood pressure with diet and exercise.


Why should the BPH live a life that makes people so miserable around them that they become alienated by people who really get close to them and ultimately rejected by primary relationships dooming them to a life of secondary relationships. That's what "causes" a lot of suicides in BHD, a lot of people really like them alot, but the people who come to matter ultimately normally can't handle the emotional swings.


It seems you assume that the only effective treatment for BPH is pharmaceutical medications. I respectfully disagree.


Taking medication has changed our lives dramatically, yes there are a few complaints of mood suppression, but that is what the medication is designed to do, suppress manic behavior, which is quite addictive much like coc aine and meth. Except the "drug" is coming from within their own blood chemistry, not their fault, and is a disorder like high blood pressure that for optimal life needs medication.


If you think that there are a "few" complaints of mood suppression, you're in denial. It seems a good portion, perhaps even the majority complain of at least this, among other adverse effects.

Again, you assume things which I think are incorrect. High blood pressure can be effectively treated in many instances by healthy lifestyle choices.

I am not anti-pharmaceuticals, I am against assumptions that pharmaceuticals are the only effective treatment of serious illnesses. It seems there are examples of people who have exhausted all alternatives, and pharmaceutical medications are the only viable option. All good. It also seems that a good chunk of the population mindlessly assumes the doctor knows best, and they should be indefinitely put on medications which not only alter the progression of their disease/disorder, but alter other biochemical functions in the process which may be detrimental to their health in the long term.
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posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by michael1983l
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Around 7 or 8 yes you could say so, not something I would wish to share though.


Thank you for sharing what you have - I understand and wholeheartedly respect not sharing the rest. It's always something I ask, given the rare opportunity to discuss.



posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 01:15 PM
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All I can say is we tried to manage without medication for nearly 30 years. We used all kinds of "natural" supplements. I can say for certain that diet was good and exercise was above average to close to athlete level. We tried and tried and tried to manage it without medication. The result was failure over and over and over. We tried counseling and self control. We tried psychotherapy without medication to get at the root of problems. If anyone can be said to have tried everything possible not to use medication, that would be us. Why? Because if it came out through regular (required for everyone) drug testing at work that BPD was present it would have meant the end of a career and loss of retirement. There was a huge incentive to try everything else which we did, until retirement was applied for and a date set. At that point medication was started and now we live a normal life, and while mood is suppressed, it sure beats the hell we went through for 30 years of trying diet, exercise, supplements and all manner of natural remedies.
By putting down medication and discouraging people from using medication you are denying that it can lead to a life where close relationships and a true loving family life is possible.



posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by grandmakdw
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By putting down medication and discouraging people from using medication you are denying that it can lead to a life where close relationships and a true loving family life is possible.


You are misrepresenting my position.

I commend you for trying other alternatives before hand, and am glad that you have found something that has worked well for your particular circumstance.




posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 01:22 PM
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With all due respect, from the first words we hear after birth, to the type of touch (palmer's touch or not?) we are comforted by, our caretakes and their environments leave a frighteningly deep behavioral "channel" through which many of the following experiences are tuned. Early childhood trauma, whether taking the form of physical or psychological abuse, can often leave behavioral and emotional markers in its wake. But don't take my word for it. Try reading The Neuroscience of Human Relationships. That book does a really nice job of marrying the old-school psychology to modern-day neuroscience, with the MRI's to back up the theories. I understand the resistance to assert any cause-and-efffect relationship between early childhood trauma and behavioral or mood disorders. Human beings, after all, are individuals who cannot be easily categorized and catalogued. And most parents, by someone's definition, has abused their child. Very complicated issues - sorry if I'm derailing OP - which can't afford your blanket statement.



posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 01:39 PM
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Have any of you here heard of CBD? And its effects on depression.

CBD



posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 01:55 PM
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this borders too close to T&C
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posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by michael1983l

Originally posted by FeelingPure
Yes! i have a question

What days do you find you are mostly in a depressed or sad mood?

Or

What months in the year do you find you are Down & Gloomy


I have rapid cycling Bi-polar disorder but it seems to be triggered a lot of the time by restraints. I get an intense feeling of isolation or inprisonment when I cannot get around and do what I want to do, this causes sometimes servere depression that can last weeks. Unfortunately like many people who suffer from this condition, money problems follow me around due to my intense instinct to be out and about when I'm in mania. And obviously this causes the depression when the cash runs out and then the opposite end of the cycle engulfs you.

I realise that many people won't understand how something as materialistic as money can have such an effect on a person's health, but in the case of Bi-polar it is inherent.
Wow! That sounds just like me.
I'm currently on my downward spiral again.. very depressed, stressed, anxious and feel like my spirit is being crushed or inprisoned.
Lots of self hate and beating myself up over little things.
This cycle started about 3 weeks ago after an intense period of creativity, ideas, highs and generally feeling unstoppable.

I was also on Citalopram, but the newer version.. Escitalopram because of liver function problems.

Did you find that the citalopram was making you more depressed? I think it levelled out my moods but in a negative way, in that I was more depressed more of the time than the constant switch between high and low.



posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 02:36 PM
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My father in law was in a very early cannabis trial done by the Univ of Washington in the 1980's. He took THC in pill form (marijuana extract). At the end of the trial we could see a huge decline in brain function. So deep that it came close to dementia in the inability to reason and a huge loss of short term memory. Since it has been proven cannabis does cause death of brain cells, I'd be reluctant to try it.

I have to admit that as a child of the 60's I tried it, well probably more than tried it. But after teaching in several major universities in social science I now am reluctant to say it is ok to use cannabis for other than smoking during chemotherapy. Then one has to be aware of the risk of permanent damage to brain cells and short term memory.



posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 03:03 PM
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I was responding to the previous poster.
But now I'll just delete this all.
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posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 03:12 PM
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Funny you should say about the Citalopram, because I now have liver function problems so I will ask to change next time I see my GP. As for the effects of Citalopram, I am not sure it completely stops the depression because I still get heavy episodes of it but I am sure it doesn't make things worse. I think it more takes the edge off things.


BTW I am pleasantly suprised by the amount of people who want to engage in a discussion about this condition. Thank You.



posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 03:14 PM
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Can I request that THC isn't discussed on here, I don't want the thread closing because I think it has been very useful. Thanks.



posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 03:29 PM
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I edited my response.
They would block the posts from blaenau2000 and anyone who makes reference to something in T&C before they close it.



posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 10:44 PM
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I really appreciate you making this post. In fact, I JUST registered to ask you a question.

One of my best friends, a female, is apparently bi-polar, I can't tell for sure, but I'd say there's a greater than 50% chance she is, but I wouldn't dare ask her. It's a very trying friendship. Her inconsistency and moodiness completely cut out my once intimate feelings I had for her, and at one point I declared to myself that I hated her, for being such an unloyal friend, someone I couldn't depend on to be the same freakin person day in and day out.

Here's my question about peaks and lows:

Is the PEAK considered to be the "real personality?" Is that the real you coming out, or is that version no more real than the "depressed" version.

I've learned to hold myself back even when she has her high peaks, because in the back of my mind, I feel like whenever she is overly joyful and outgoing and cheerful with me, sadly, that's not the real her.


Thanks for any response, I'm just trying to better understand this situation.



posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 01:06 AM
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Hi

I would like to know more about the potential parasite connection.

Very relevant to me.



posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 02:15 AM
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Originally posted by michael1983l
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There are a few reported benafits but they never outweigh the bad aspects in my opinion. From an engineering point of view I can look at problems in a much more black and white kind of way than my collegues and I tend to be able to spot faults and problems much quicker than everybody else. Others report a great sense of creativity. I must admit that I have a lot of magical thoughts too, relating to the universe and other profound subjects but I have no Idea if my thoughts are something or alot of nothing.



Yeah and where do you base proof or gathered knowledge to support the connection between BiPolar Disorder and creative thinking or altered thought processes?



posted on Oct, 23 2012 @ 06:46 AM
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I didn't want the thread derailed.
Some people would probably freak because it is easy to get, then doctors say it's easy to treat but that's a lie.
I just know that they are SUPPOSED to rule out infection. But rarely do tests.
But any infection - bladder, UTI, etc - can have the potential to exacerbate and in some cause symptoms.


Second are those parasitic infections such as neurocysticercosis where the brain is directly invaded by the infective agent through a well-established, imageable (visible on brain scan) mechanism (cysts, lesions, cerebral swelling etc.) Signs of psychiatric disease (depression and psychosis) were found in over 65% of neurocysticercosis cases (caused by a tapeworm whose incidence in the US is rising due to demographic increases in foreign immigrant populations.) [Ref: Forlenza] While the mechanisms for psychiatric manifestations are easy to demonstrate when brain tissue is directly affected, there are also multiple documented reports in the literature of psychiatric symptoms associated with other parasites like giardiasis, ascaris (roundworm), trichinae (cause of trichinosis), and Lyme borrelia and viruses like borna virus. Documentation also exists of these psychiatric symptoms resolving when the underlying hidden infection is treated.
The Role of Infection in Mental Health www.nutritional-healing.com.au...
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