BEHIND THE VEIL: Never-Before-Seen Footage of Secret Mormon Temple Rituals

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posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by TheMaverick

The garden of eden is in massouri, come on its absolutely insane, and quite clearly the teaching of a mad man.



Do you know where the Garden of Eden is? Or even what it was?

Didn't think so.




posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 10:53 AM
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Beginning in 1842, after he had moved to free-state Illinois, Smith made known his increasingly strong anti-slavery position. In 1842 he began studying some abolitionist literature, and stated, "it makes my blood boil within me to reflect upon the injustice, cruelty, and oppression of the rulers of the people. When will these things cease to be, and the Constitution and the laws again bear rule?" In 1844 Joseph Smith wrote his views as a candidate for President of the United States. The anti-slavery plank of his platform called for a gradual end to slavery by the year 1850. His plan called for the government to buy the freedom of slaves using money from the sale of public lands.

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posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 11:37 AM
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Originally posted by Annee
Joseph Smith died in 1844. The policy on blacks holding Priesthood was put in place in 1852 after his death. Blacks were still members of the church.


Was 2 Nephi 5:21-23 inserted in the Book of Mormon in 1852, was well?


And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them."

"And thus saith the Lord God: I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities."

"And cursed shall be the seed of him that mixeth with their seed; for they shall be cursed even with the same cursing. And the Lord spake it, and it was done."

"And because of their cursing which was upon them they did become an idle people, full of mischief and subtlety, and did seek in the wilderness for beasts of prey."


Sounds like Smith was pretty racist when he wrote the BoM, no?

I'm still waiting to hear your explanation of how Warren Jeffs went against the teachings of Smith and Brigham Young on the matter of polygamy. As you are supportive of Smith's stance in 1844 regarding slavery, what is your basis for saying he was wrong on the matter of polygamy, particularly as he claimed that the latter was a direct commandment of God? Not a political statement or policy, as slavery was, but an inviolable directive of God. Jeffs simply agreed with them, saying that, in 1890, the "Prophet" couldn't issue a manifesto stating that it was no longer applicable, in order to stave off the US government's seizure of church assets and denial of statehood for Utah.
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posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 11:46 AM
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Secret rituals my backside, I was baptised for the dead in absentia, it was no secret, no bloody Ox's about and I got to choose who I wanted.


So I baptised Benny Hill..


And no I'm not joking...

Look LDS wasn't for me, I'm not even sure why any of them thought it was for me, but I have my tales and I had an entertaining time with them. I joke they are bat# crazy, but the most bat# were the other recent devotee's, not the Elders. (Ok so one Pastor called me out as the Devils concubine one Sunday, but he was just some old git from up the road having an affair behind his wifes back with some maniac in the congregation) The ones I knew could have a chuckle at the fact people might think it was all weird, they were very open though about virtually everything.

Heck I might even be still with them if they hadn't tried to get me to marry a lad that looked like he'd been near beaten to death with the ugly stick...Ok well maybe not. Still, they were ok, they even admitted they were guarenteed jobs in the FBI and CIA when they'd finished their missions. So not so much secrecy after all.
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posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by adjensen

I'm still waiting to hear your explanation of how Warren Jeffs went against the teachings of Smith and Brigham Young on the matter of polygamy.


Fundamental Mormons (Warren Jeffs) are an unauthorized off shoot of the Official LDS church. I would not say he goes against the teachings of Joseph Smith. He does take teachings to the extreme - - interpreting them to his own beliefs/teachings.

Although there were cases of young girls forced into marriage in early LDS history - - it was not the norm. And not all marriages were consummated. Some were for protection of the woman. Some were only spiritual marriages.

The reason for polygamy depends on who you read. I'm only presenting ONE. Some say it was a practical solution to take care of widows and children because so many Mormon men were killed. The church would assign men to women in need. The women could reject - but the man could not. Each woman was suppose to be provided her own home.

Dressing modestly is part of the belief - - but official LDS do not adhere to a strict dress code of women not wearing pants and having to make their own clothes. Nor are they required not to cut their hair.

Mormons were forced to agree to give up polygamy (by a US Christian dominated government) in order to get statehood (also Mormon women had to give up the right to vote).

Yes it was declared illegal. But the doctrines themselves were not changed - - as far as I know.



posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by adjensen

I'm still waiting to hear your explanation of how Warren Jeffs went against the teachings of Smith and Brigham Young on the matter of polygamy.


Fundamental Mormons (Warren Jeffs) are an unauthorized off shoot of the Official LDS church. I would not say he goes against the teachings of Joseph Smith. He does take teachings to the extreme - - interpreting them to his own beliefs/teachings.


Thank you for the response. Your reply works into something that I've been mulling over, in regards to Christianity.

The Mormon fundamentalists would completely disagree with your statement that they are the "offshoot" -- they'd say that the LDS church is the offshoot, and that they're the true church, because they hold to the ideals that were originally taught by Smith and Young. No, they can't claim the name, but, just as Smith said that the Christian churches fell into a state of apostasy when John the Apostle died, they can say that the LDS main church fell into apostasy when that manifest was issued in 1890.

In my case, I'm sorting through what, if any, Christian church could be viewed as the "true" church. The most obvious answer is the Roman Catholic church, given that they can trace themselves back to the Apostles, but so can most other denominations, with the question being whether the Reformation, for example, represented a return to "true" Christianity or an invention of a new Christianity on Luther, Henry and Zwingli's parts. If the latter, which I lean toward, can't we also say that, over the centuries, the Roman Catholic church has also invented a new Christianity?

I'm still working through it, but at this point I've resolved it to either the whole of the Christian community is the true church, distilled to the common parts, or that there is no true church any longer, and probably hasn't been since Augustine.



posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by adjensen

The Mormon fundamentalists would completely disagree with your statement that they are the "offshoot" -- they'd say that the LDS church is the offshoot, and that they're the true church, because they hold to the ideals that were originally taught by Smith and Young.


I agree they would say they are the true church. But I don't agree they hold to the ideals originally taught by Smith. I do not really support Young. (I do believe Joseph Smith was a medium and was contacted. Who/what contacted him is debatable). I do not believe Young had this connection or insight. But I suppose you could say for the most part he was a strong and wise leader.

Differences. For one thing women in the official church have always been encouraged to be independent. Some of the first frontier doctors were Mormon women the church sent back east to medical school and paid for. Official Mormons believe being out in society is important. "Witness" by your actions and behavior.


No, they can't claim the name, but, just as Smith said that the Christian churches fell into a state of apostasy when John the Apostle died, they can say that the LDS main church fell into apostasy when that manifest was issued in 1890.


Yes they can say that. Depends where you stand on your perspective.


In my case, I'm sorting through what, if any, Christian church could be viewed as the "true" church. The most obvious answer is the Roman Catholic church, given that they can trace themselves back to the Apostles, but so can most other denominations, with the question being whether the Reformation, for example, represented a return to "true" Christianity or an invention of a new Christianity on Luther, Henry and Zwingli's parts. If the latter, which I lean toward, can't we also say that, over the centuries, the Roman Catholic church has also invented a new Christianity?

I'm still working through it, but at this point I've resolved it to either the whole of the Christian community is the true church, distilled to the common parts, or that there is no true church any longer, and probably hasn't been since Augustine.


I will say its a very interesting and complex subject.

A problem I see is - - I don't think in past history you can separate Religion from Politics. Religion is about control. Basically who ever the ruling force is - - that is the "true" religion. At least in the mind of the majority.



posted on Jun, 25 2013 @ 03:45 AM
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The FLDS is a truly scary cult, an off shoot from the "Mormon Church". How this is even legally tolerated is beyond me...the cowardly men and their abuses, perversions, and child raping...it is enough to break even the hardest of hearts



edit on 25-6-2013 by AutOmatIc because: ...there is no hell, and no god has ever shown his/her face...





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