Vatican release information on masons. Power struggle?, page 1


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reply posted on 21-10-2012 @ 07:45 AM by Wifibrains
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I agree, little men and their big ideas.

As times are a changing, and these factions struggle for control they will turn on and expose each other for what they really are, creating their own demise.



reply posted on 21-10-2012 @ 07:48 AM by ChaoticOrder
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As times are a changing, and these factions struggle for control they will turn on and expose each other for what they really are, creating their own demise.

Ehhh.... we can only hope.

And in this world hope doesn't amount to much.


reply posted on 21-10-2012 @ 08:26 AM by Wifibrains
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I mean no disrespect to you personally sir. You are more than your organisation. Hear it as a human not a freemason.

Question, if I may... Why the secrecy?
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reply posted on 21-10-2012 @ 08:42 AM by bigfatfurrytexan
Originally posted by Wifibrains
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I mean no disrespect to you personally sir. You are more than your organisation. Hear it as a human not a freemason.

Question, if I may... Why the secrecy?
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Would you have understood how to calculate the slope intercept formula when you were in first grade learning addition? Do you accuse your teacher of secrecy for knowing that you would not grasp it in first grade, and just leaving it for a later lesson to be given when you have prepared your own intellect?

ETA: i am not a mason. I know a fair amount about esoterica, though. There is no real secret in masonry that I have found. The "secrets" relate more to the way the "program" works. Is it a secret if you are discussing circles with someone, and they choose to not discuss the 90 degree angle?
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reply posted on 21-10-2012 @ 09:31 AM by ChaoticOrder
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The "knowledge" is not kept from anyone. Find a lodge. Join. Then teach your own children.

Here's something I've said once before: I don't need to be a rocket scientist to learn rocket science.


reply posted on 21-10-2012 @ 09:43 AM by Wifibrains
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Chaotic order just answered for me, lol. And you already said that's your stance in not so many words.

Peace,

Please no masons take offence at what I said, I meant the ideas they create as a brotherhood for bissness, not your thoughts. I believe in unity and all that but secret societies unite by dividing themselves from society, creating seperation. Let's all play nicely together I say.


reply posted on 21-10-2012 @ 09:43 AM by JoshNorton
Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
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The "knowledge" is not kept from anyone. Find a lodge. Join. Then teach your own children.

Here's something I've said once before: I don't need to be a rocket scientist to learn rocket science.
And you don't need to be a Freemason to learn the lessons of Freemasonry. Duncan's Ritual has been in print for something like 300 years. You can walk into any mainstream bookstore and buy a copy, or read it for free online from dozens of sites. What you won't get from reading it, though, is the first-hand experience of going through the ritual.
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reply posted on 21-10-2012 @ 09:57 AM by Wifibrains
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I kind of get the gist that going to a lodge would enhance your understanding and teach the word in a easily accessible way, so if there are no secrets, if someone is asking, can you teach what you learn at the lodge outside? So non masons can learn, or must you join, to gain the knowledge/understanding? Out of interest like, I mean, could you have a student who is not a mason?


reply posted on 21-10-2012 @ 09:58 AM by bigfatfurrytexan
Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
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The "knowledge" is not kept from anyone. Find a lodge. Join. Then teach your own children.

Here's something I've said once before: I don't need to be a rocket scientist to learn rocket science.


Exactly.

I am not a mason. Never talked to a mason in person about masonism. I have talked to masons online, but not to any extent about their ideology (as i try to respect their desire to keep the "secrets" the way they are, for the reasons they do).

But i was interested enough to find out what it was all about. And once i started reading a little, doing a little research, i discovered that all the secrets were common sense, if you took the time to think about it. Just put your ego aside and be a better person.

Then I figured that they were kept "secret" was simply because nothing is more frustrating than having someone whine about being thirsty, but not taking a drink of the water you offer them. Maddening, to be honest. In my experience as a manager, i quickly had to learn to quit trying so hard to save employees that didn't want saving. It wasn't like I was keeping how to be a better employee secret from them. They just had to show up to work to find out.

Same with masonism. It isn't a secret. You just have to go find out.
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