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"The purpose of this web site is to provide you with an introduction to a series of devices which have been shown to have very interesting properties and some are (incorrectly) described as 'perpetual motion' machines.
What's that you say - perpetual motion is impossible? My, you're a difficult one to please. The electrons in the molecules of rock formations have been spinning steadily for millions of years without stopping - at what point will you agree that they are in perpetual motion?
So, why don't electrons run out of energy and just slow down to a standstill? Quantum Mechanics has shown that the universe is a seething cauldron of energy with particles popping into existence and then dropping out again. If E = mC2, then we can see that a tremendous amount of energy is needed to create any form of matter. Scientists remark that if we could tap even a small part of that energy, then we would have free energy for our lifetime.
The Law of Conservation of Energy is undoubtedly correct when it shows that more energy cannot be taken out of any system than is put into that system. However, that does not mean that we cannot get more energy out of a system than we put into it. A crude example is a solar panel in sunlight. We get electrical power out of the panel but we do not put the sunlight into the panel - the sunlight arrives on its own. This example is simple as we can see the sunlight reaching the solar panel.
If, instead of the solar panel, we had a device which absorbs some of the energy which Quantum Mechanics observes and gives out, say, electrical power, would that be so different? Most people say "yes! - it is impossible!" but this reaction is based on the fact that we cannot see this sea of energy. Should we say that a TV set cannot possibly work because we cannot see a television transmission signal?
Many people have produced devices and ideas for tapping this energy. The energy is often called "Zero-Point Energy" because it is the energy which remains when a system has its temperature lowered to absolute zero. This presentation is introductory information on what has already been achieved in this field: devices which output more power than they require to run. This looks as if they contradict the Law of Conservation of Energy, but they don't, and you can see this when you take the zero-point energy field into account.
The material on this web site describes many different devices, with diagrams, photographs, explanations, pointers to web sites, etc. As some of the devices need an understanding of electronic circuitry, a simple, step-by-step instruction course in electronics is also provided in Chapter 12. This can take someone with no previous knowledge of electronics, to the level where they can read, understand, design and build the type of circuits used with these devices."
What's that you say - perpetual motion is impossible? My, you're a difficult one to please. The electrons in the molecules of rock formations have been spinning steadily for millions of years without stopping - at what point will you agree that they are in perpetual motion? So, why don't electrons run out of energy and just slow down to a standstill? Quantum Mechanics has shown that the universe is a seething cauldron of energy with particles popping into existence and then dropping out again. If E = mC2, then we can see that a tremendous amount of energy is needed to create any form of matter. Scientists remark that if we could tap even a small part of that energy, then we would have free energy for our lifetime.
Originally posted by hawkiye
... but there are several devices out there that can be built and that do work
Originally posted by alfa1
Originally posted by hawkiye
... but there are several devices out there that can be built and that do work
And yet, nobody can show a working model to have actually ever been built.
Show me one.
How do you want to examine the devices when even the basic understanding in physics is absent. With pure try and error?
Btw I am not denying that free energy is possible, just not by the means of the classic perpetuum mobiles and so called overunity devices.
Originally posted by pheonix358
OP, I think you are trying to encompass an ideal, see if this fits.
Take sunlight.
Use solar panels to convert sunlight to electricity.
Use the electricity to separate water into Hydrogen and Oxygen.
Release the Oxygen into the atmosphere. Store the Hydrogen.
Use the Hydrogen in fuel cell engines. Uses the released Oxygen.
The resultant and only emissions are water.
Nothing in the process is 'used up'
It is free by your definition and is available now.
A clean energy future.
P
Originally posted by moebius
How do you want to examine the devices when even the basic understanding in physics is absent. With pure try and error?
I wish the free energy proponents would look at such phenomenons and use physics as their tool to come up with possible and actually working free energy device designs.
Originally posted by Moduli
Originally posted by moebius
How do you want to examine the devices when even the basic understanding in physics is absent. With pure try and error?
They will examine them with nice, cheap words of course. And also lots of inappropriately placed consecutive commas.
I wish the free energy proponents would look at such phenomenons and use physics as their tool to come up with possible and actually working free energy device designs.
They don't because then it wouldn't be a conspiracy. They would rather sit around and complain the Man is keeping the technology that doesn't exist secret instead of actually doing something. Also, do you really think most people here are capable of learning the multivariable calculus, classical mechanics, and thermodynamics, needed to do that?
Originally posted by r2d246
reply to post by hawkiye
I read a bit of the book. Looks interesting.
I have a question for you......
I know very very little about electronics or power. I know that most things run on 110 current whatever that means. And I know a bit about wattage. Like a standard light bulb uses 60 watts. Not sure if that means per hour or whatever.
So as you can see I don't know much. Not really enough to probably build any kind of generator. I was wondering if there's either:
1) an extremely simple generator that anyone can build using parts readily available from common stores. And the instructions laid out in maybe video format so you can easily follow along.
or
2) a place I could just buy a working generator?
Then if I put $30,000 worth of solar panels on my roof and run my house on that, I already have free energy according to that definition, right?
Originally posted by hawkiye
For some reason I have had free energy on my mind. I have dabbled in this field for many years now but not much the past few.
Let me define free energy for use in this thread so we can avoid the same tired old arguments. Free energy is energy that does no require constant payout to obtain.
In pseudoscience:
Free energy device, a hypothetical device that creates energy in a hypothetical isolated system, i.e. without any external input, thereby contradicting the laws of thermodynamics