New weapon in the fight against red light cameras.

Government has set a new standard in the abuse and destruction of our civil liberties. Everything from indefinite "detentions" to citizen assassinations.

With the government's relentless war on freedom, where does one begin to fight back?

Red light cameras for starters. There has been a growing resistance to the "guilty until proven innocent" cameras.

Citizens are striking back at Big Brother by vandalizing red light cameras and even shooting the lenses out with guns.

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If youre not inclined to shooting a red light camera or wearing a monkey mask while you drive, theres a new tool in the fight against BIG BROTHER:

What about the old fashioned option of NOT running red lights?

Click here for more information.

Originally posted by gladtobehere
reply to post by alfa1

 

What about shut the hell up?

But he does have a good point.

reply to post by SpearMint

Well, its a bit more complicated than that.

First, the government is claiming that the cameras are there for safety, yet some studies have shown that they have actually increased accidents.

People are of the opinion that they are there to simply generate revenue, which is clearly NOT the purpose of the police.

Lastly, a person receives a fine in the mail, so there is no presumption of innocence. This notion that the camera is infallible. There is a presumption of guilt, which contradicts our justice system.

Further to this, if the OP had moved away from the media reports, did some research, and actually took the time to visit the website of this device, he would have found it DOESNT EXIST.

But they want your money.
Send your money now.

The noPhoto isn't available just yet!
Contribute to our indiegogo campaign to secure yourself the first spot in line and to help us get the noPhoto in your hands as soon as possible.

Originally posted by gladtobehere
reply to post by SpearMint

 

Well, its a bit more complicated than that.

First, the government is claiming that the cameras are there for safety, yet some studies have shown that they have actually increased accidents.

People are of the opinion that they are there to simply generate revenue, which is clearly NOT the purpose of the police.

Lastly, a person receives a fine in the mail, so there is no presumption of innocence. This notion that the camera is infallible. There is a presumption of guilt, which contradicts our justice system.

edit on 21-10-2012 by gladtobehere because: (no reason given)

There is no presumption of innocence in motor vehicle violations; that "innocent until proven guilty" only counts in criminal cases. Have you ever noticed that if/when you get a speeding ticket you have to pay the fine unless you can prove you are innocent?

Not to mention that they are not just for "Running red lights." They are for speeding as well which is particularly annoying. I mean a cop should have to catch you in order for you to get caught speeding.

BTW, it's illegal in Washington state to attempt to obstruct your license plate in any way to avoid identification by these cameras.

Originally posted by alfa1

What about the old fashioned option of NOT running red lights?

And intentionally endangering the lives of others in those situations where it's less safe to come to a screeching stop when the light turns yellow 100 meters in front of you and the roads are wet. You either slam the brakes and risk spinning out or getting rear-ended, or you speed up to make the light and risk hitting stopped traffic ahead of the intersection. But you do the safe thing and coast through you get fined. Camera lights encourage unsafe behavior, and are there for the sole purpose of generating revenue, not reducing accidents. If they were there to reduce accidents, then accidents would actually be reduced, don't ya think? But studies have proven rear-end accidents are higher at intersections with red light cameras because of the unsafe behaviors they encourage.

That doesn't even take into account the fact that they don't even ticket the driver - they ticket the owner, whether the owner was the one driving or not. If you get a ticket in the mail because the person who borrowed your car ran a red light, YOU have to go to court and prove yourself innocent. Yup, you truly are 100% guilty until proven innocent. Can't get the day off to go to court? Guilty! Did the offense occur while out of town and you can't drive all the way back to go to court? Guilty!

Originally posted by SilentKoala
And intentionally endangering the lives of others in those situations where it's less safe to come to a screeching stop when the light turns yellow 100 meters in front of you and the roads are wet. You either slam the brakes and risk spinning out

If you have to risk "spinning out" or "screeching" to a stop on a wet road, then its clear that you are not driving safely according to the weather conditions.
In all my years of driving I have NEVER seen a yellow light set up in such a way that it doesnt give an alert driver a safe opportunity to stop.

Originally posted by alfa1

Originally posted by SilentKoala
And intentionally endangering the lives of others in those situations where it's less safe to come to a screeching stop when the light turns yellow 100 meters in front of you and the roads are wet. You either slam the brakes and risk spinning out

If you have to risk "spinning out" or "screeching" to a stop on a wet road, then its clear that you are not driving safely according to the weather conditions.
In all my years of driving I have NEVER seen a yellow light set up in such a way that it doesnt give an alert driver a safe opportunity to stop.

Nope, camera lights have shorter yellow light times. This is done on purpose to limit your options to those I described above if it turns yellow right when you're at that 'golden' distance' form the light. They've gotten it down to a science.

They will also do things like alter the sequence of the lights to make the pattern unpredictable, and at busy intersections turn the light green for only a short period of time to let a couple cars through, then turn red again, to entice frustrated drivers to run the light. Yes, they actually *want* you to run the red light, so they get the revenue. If you don't run it, they don't collect.

reply to post by avocadoshag

There is no presumption of innocence in motor vehicle violations; that "innocent until proven guilty" only counts in criminal cases. Have you ever noticed that if/when you get a speeding ticket you have to pay the fine unless you can prove you are innocent?

Yep. Guranteed money maker. At the scene you "must" sign the "agree to appear" at the time and date of court or that is another crime. When you show up like "promised" you are guilty because the policeman is never wrong. If you do plead not guilty, then there is a new court date where the officer will show and testify his equipment was tested and working and he professionally observed you breaking the law. You will then be found guilty anyway regardless and increased fine for "extra" court costs will be levied because you didn't just pay up the first time.

reply to post by gladtobehere

That vid about the "tagger" who spray painted big orange x's to mark camera speed traps pissed me off. They hide the cameras on the side of the road in one town. All this really points to down the road is more surveillance of ordinary people by computer robotic means.

One day, the speed trap will be a hidden cell phone in your own car writing you tickets for speeding. I wonder if they will include a dashboard printer port?

reply to post by Socrato


Good luck catching me WA state if you are too damned greedy to pay a cop to do it.

I think it will be hard to get this idea operational.
Were talking milliseconds to counter a pic being taken.
It is pretty much instant once a flash goes off until the pic is taken
It would work if the plate holder was tied into your gps that has know camera locations in it.
Then send a signal to a series of 3 counter flash bulbs in the plate holder that can rotate flashes to create a solid 2 or 3 second flash.

reply to post by alfa1

I wasnt advocating anyone send money anywhere.

Just bringing to light (pun intended) the ingenuity that some people are using in their fight against government gone wild.

Civil disobedience goes high tech.

OK here is the answer to the red light cameras problem. I ran across a few minutes ago and was going to post it but I will add it to your thread....

No a fan of the cameras but I expect to soon see red light and speed drones snapping away documenting our minor crimes.

www.informationliberation.com...

Jonathan Dandrow has developed noPhoto, which renders the pix snapped by those revenue-generating robo-cams useless. The technology behind noPhoto is fairly simple. At the top of the gadget, which doubles as a license plate frame, there’s an optical flash trigger that detects the flash of the traffic-light camera. That trigger sets off one or both xenon flashes in the sides of the noPhoto, so when the traffic-light camera opens its shutter, there’s too much light and the picture of your license plate is overexposed. Big Brother can’t read your plate.

Originally posted by deadeyedick
I think it will be hard to get this idea operational.
Were talking milliseconds to counter a pic being taken.
It is pretty much instant once a flash goes off until the pic is taken
It would work if the plate holder was tied into your gps that has know camera locations in it.
Then send a signal to a series of 3 counter flash bulbs in the plate holder that can rotate flashes to create a solid 2 or 3 second flash.

been done ... see the last post before this with the link

Jonathan Dandrow has developed noPhoto, which renders the pix snapped by those revenue-generating robo-cams useless. The technology behind noPhoto is fairly simple. At the top of the gadget, which doubles as a license plate frame, there’s an optical flash trigger that detects the flash of the traffic-light camera. That trigger sets off one or both xenon flashes in the sides of the noPhoto, so when the traffic-light camera opens its shutter, there’s too much light and the picture of your license plate is overexposed. Big Brother can’t read your plate.

Who doesn't dislike red-light cameras that wait patiently to catch you zipping through an "orange" ligh? The law-enforcement aids snap a photo of you and your plate, generating a ticket from The Man. However, lots of people think that they are not about keeping the streets any safer. Rather, some think, their adoption has much more to do with raising extra revenue for a city. However, two different products have recently been invented that render red-light camera pictures useless. One of them is still searching for cash to get on the market. The other, though pricey, is available now. The device is encased in a license plate carrier. It detects when a red-light camera goes off, and flashes a bright light across the license plate numbers to obscure them from photographic detection.