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GOP Blows Secrets and Risks Lives In Document Dump Ahead of Debate

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posted on Oct, 21 2012 @ 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by Kali74
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even after numerous requests for more security?


There were none. That's the point. And again just because I'm not flailing my arms and running around screaming does not mean I wasn't upset over the attack. We shouldn't be there IMO nor anywhere in the ME or N. Africa. I highly doubt you were upset at all, you knew the value of such an attack before the election. I'm sure anger was the last thing you were feeling.


There were none?

Cables From Ambassador Stevens Warned Of Rise Of Islamic Militants In Benghazi, Fears For His Safety, Al-Qaeda Flag Being Flown Over Government Buildings…
weaselzippers.us... eing-flown-over-government-buildings/

BENGHAZI: Documents show Stevens worried about security threats, al-Qaeda


“Multiple warnings about security threats were contained in Ambassador Stevens’ own words in multiple cables sent to Washington, D.C., and were manifested by two prior bombings of the Benghazi compound and an assassination attempt on the British ambassador,” the congressmen wrote. “For this administration to assume that terrorists were not involved in the 9/11 anniversary attack would have required a willing suspension of disbelief.” Read more: www.foxnews.com... y3sn4hi



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posted on Oct, 21 2012 @ 03:34 PM
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This is funny DEMS had no prob leaking and putting americans at risk when leaking info that made obama look good.



posted on Oct, 21 2012 @ 03:37 PM
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I'm sorry, but that is plain ole silly. The GOP does not want religious law in the USA.



posted on Oct, 21 2012 @ 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by buster2010


As the head of state it does fall on Clinton's lap. The president doesn't assign security details. Maybe you should learn how things work before placing blame. And if security was so important the why did Paul Ryan lead the charge to cut funding for security to embassies?


Paul Ryan?

Really?

Your whole post is Laughable.

Heres who takes responsibility. Maybe you should read it twice...............

President Obama on Benghazi: "I am always responsible"


Clear, Hey?




posted on Oct, 21 2012 @ 03:52 PM
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Do you want Religious laws in this country? The GOP does.
Should we make murder legal?
It is one of the Ten Commandments. That would make it a religious law. Theft would have to be legalized too, I suppose.

You will support legalizing murder, right? I'd hate to think that you would support a religious law.



posted on Oct, 21 2012 @ 03:53 PM
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Ok this sounds really crazy. The Taliban is not far off from Christian religion? Is that what you are saying. I hope that is not what you are saying.



posted on Oct, 21 2012 @ 04:42 PM
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From Christian Fundamentalism, yes... that is exactly what I'm saying.



posted on Oct, 21 2012 @ 04:57 PM
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Originally posted by butcherguy
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Do you want Religious laws in this country? The GOP does.
Should we make murder legal?
It is one of the Ten Commandments. That would make it a religious law. Theft would have to be legalized too, I suppose.

You will support legalizing murder, right? I'd hate to think that you would support a religious law.


I would dare to say that the laws on murder are based on religious guidance of many persuasions, as per the Ten Commandments, in fact the US law follows that commandment, in its advisory, to the letter, including the death penalty. IMO, the Commandments were written by a man, there is no need to bring a faith in a God figure into the Commandments, he did not write them. They are well understood laws of all men as far back as you want to go. Using an example of legal murder is moot, that happens all the time. For the OP, you need to distinguish between what is a human understanding of law/s, and what is religious law.



posted on Oct, 21 2012 @ 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by Kali74
He should be charged with Treason.


Isn't it remarkable. When Julian Assange leaks U.S. government documents (with sensitive information) he's universally lauded at ATS. When an evil Republican does the same he should be charged with treason? My, are things getting political around here. Blatent pro-Obama thread, fingers in ears and eyes tightly shut to the important & pertinent information in the document. If anyone is criminal here it is the current Administration. The document is a clear case for that.



posted on Oct, 21 2012 @ 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by SteveR

Originally posted by Kali74
He should be charged with Treason.


Isn't it remarkable. When Julian Assange leaks U.S. government documents (with sensitive information) he's universally lauded at ATS. When an evil Republican does the same he should be charged with treason? My, are things getting political around here. Blatent pro-Obama thread, fingers in ears and eyes tightly shut to the important & pertinent information in the document. If anyone is criminal here it is the current Administration. The document is a clear case for that.


Is this not the politipot calling the kettle black? it's all political in this thread so far, and taking sides, which is stupid, when more than ever they are all out to screw you. (Assange doesn't figure here BTW) this is a political insider dogfight. The Op does have a point, ordinary people have been put at risk. I dare say ordinary people at Abbottabad have been put at risk, which we may never hear about, even if OBL did not die there. (remember the late Benazir Bhutto naming names) killed not long after??

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Stop taking sides and try to disseminate the information, and what it may entail.



posted on Oct, 21 2012 @ 06:25 PM
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Well, in fairness to comparing even the MOST extreme of Modern Day Chrisitans to the Taliban....?!

Where are Christians shooting Women in the head for minor infractions as would be judged anywhere outside the radical fundie zones the Taliban control? Where else are ALL women over the age of 10 strictly forbidden to receive an education or even learn to read. They've killed women for that....and I've got pictures in archive of the Afghan women they didn't kill. What they do to their face..is evil in itself.

Finally, where in the world are Christian groups of any sect operating and running an entire network of training camps for Guerrilla fighters who are then sent to points all over the planet? That was what the Taliban was doing and allowing to be done in their areas of control within Afghanistan from the time they came into existence in 1994..through the 4 years of brutal civil war THEY fought to establish 90% control of the nation by 1998....and were still running when we blew them to dust in 2001 and 2002.

I just cannot believe anyone well aquainted with the true EVIL those fanatics represent could even jokingly compare them ..not just to Christianity, but frankly to ANY other religion OR known Cult currently in existence. In thinking...I can't even come up with a Cult that are near as brutal, murderous and outright dangerous to everything around them as the nutjobs of the Taliban command structure.

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posted on Oct, 21 2012 @ 07:08 PM
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I dare say that the Jews and the Christians both believe that the Ten Commandments were spoken directly by God to a fellow named Moses.

You can believe what you like, but the Jews and Christians (the religious people) believe that the laws came from God. This makes it a religious law, like it or not.

The poster that I was replying to doesn't like the idea of living under religious laws, so we would need to dump these ones, at least.
I was simply pointing out that we live under religious laws already, and I think that most people are thankful that we do.

You are correct that a lot of laws are universal. That's because they are useful in maintaining a civilized society. A civil society involves control of the members of that society. That is what religion has always been about, control of the members of society, usually to benefit a certain few more than others.



posted on Oct, 21 2012 @ 08:47 PM
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Yet. Because we still have separation of Church and State. There are plenty in the GOP that would love to do away with that. Where exactly do you think that road leads?



posted on Oct, 21 2012 @ 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by butcherguy
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I dare say that the Jews and the Christians both believe that the Ten Commandments were spoken directly by God to a fellow named Moses.

You can believe what you like, but the Jews and Christians (the religious people) believe that the laws came from God. This makes it a religious law, like it or not.

The poster that I was replying to doesn't like the idea of living under religious laws, so we would need to dump these ones, at least.
I was simply pointing out that we live under religious laws already, and I think that most people are thankful that we do.

You are correct that a lot of laws are universal. That's because they are useful in maintaining a civilized society. A civil society involves control of the members of that society. That is what religion has always been about, control of the members of society, usually to benefit a certain few more than others.


Not quite right there in reply, I was actually pointing out the same thing if you read the post again, the universal law, was/is already in man to a majority, and to a high order. Love, compassion, empathy.

That is against an abuse of those laws which has nothing to do with a true belief, but is more the darker side where anything goes if there is enough consensus like here, and the 'tribal' leaders of politics which is akin to religion, but has no soul.
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posted on Oct, 21 2012 @ 09:49 PM
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there is no need to bring a faith in a God figure into the Commandments, he did not write them.

I was mainly speaking to this part of your post in relationship to the reply that I made to the previous poster that I was responding to before. Sorry if I was too dense, I thought you meant that I was reading God into the laws, while it is religions that do that.
It is the belief of Christians and Jews that the Ten Commandments are from God himself, regardless of others beliefs.
The other poster prefers not to live under religious laws. If the two faiths mentioned believe that the laws were handed down from their God himself, they are most certainly are religious laws. The previous poster made a blanket statement regarding religious laws.
All is well.

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posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 02:36 AM
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Oh, I think there is a % of the extreme wing of the Right which would like a Reich Wing with Religion as the Tyranny. There is also a % of the extreme left who would love to make a Communist Socialist society to have Lenin green with envy. In both cases, I've met some to know they're real enough but thankfully for everyone all around, they are few enough to be annoying but little else. LOUD...but just annoying...both sets of them.

I look around the world and I see a number of nations which have Church and state commingled MUCH tighter than we are here and frankly, that isn't a system I want to live under as a national Government either. I don't call those nations bad for that reason alone. Just different in a way I'd never choose to live.

I only see ONE...just one (Thank God...and no pun intended that time) Taliban. Fortunately the Wahhabi Sect fanatics in the Arabian Peninsula don't seem to quite have that rabid zeal of the Taliban. They really do have a very special kind of screw lose we can all be thankful is quite rare thus far in history. The Inquisition might have been comparable...a very long period of time ago.


So,... Nope, sorry. I;m afraid you pretty well lost me entirely and forever on this one. I can't imagine or relate to a person who can look at the Taliban and, if I'm not mistaken, be old enough to have recalled the period they were in power? I absolutely do...and seeing the reports of the continuous executions of their own people in the Stadium there in Kabul. They were so damn cheeky, they told the United Nations to stop complaining and if they wanted the people to have a place to play sports the Taliban forbid anyway, they could just go build another one. THAT one was their center for administering justice. Absolute Evil. No other way I can put it or describe those animals.



posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 06:48 AM
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Jesus Camp is an example of indoctrination of our children. It also gives some correlation to how these people are infiltrating the Republican Party.

Just take a look at Rick Santorum, Michelle Bachman, Rick Perry, Tim Pawlenty, Todd Akin... really look into them and you start to see a picture forming. Those are just a few.



posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 07:06 AM
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Originally posted by Kali74
Jesus Camp is an example of indoctrination of our children.

People have a right to teach their children any religion they want.


Just take a look at Rick Santorum, Michelle Bachman, Rick Perry, Tim Pawlenty, Todd Akin... really look into them and you start to see a picture forming. Those are just a few.

Just take a look at Nancy Pelosi, Al Sharpton, Al Gore, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Cynthia McKinney, The Code Pink Whackos, The New Black Panthers, ... really look into them and you start to see a picture forming. Liar-Loonies. Those are just a few.

EVERY group has a percentage of members who are 'over the top' or who are like the ol' drunk uncle living in the attic. The GOP isn't trying to make America a fundamentalist christian country and it isn't going around flying planes into buildings or shooting little girls in the head simply because she wants to get an education. Sure, there is an element that votes GOP who are ultra-religious, but there is also an element that votes democrat that is ultra-intolerant of those who don't think like they do as well. The left and the right are mirror images of each other. Same/same.



posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 07:11 AM
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that being said .. back on topic ..

The TV news is reporting that ONE name was outted in these documents. But that ONE name had been outted previously so it wasn't a 'new out'. It looks like the far left is trying to shut down the truth of what happened from getting out. They are crying that the GOP is 'politicizing' .. but in fact the far left is just using that term to try to stall the info from coming out until after the elections. The left are politicizing and attacking truth.

I have no idea if that TV news report is accurate about the ONE name or not.
I'm just letting you all know what the TV news is reporting as of this morning.



posted on Oct, 22 2012 @ 07:36 AM
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I didn't say people didn't have the right to teach their children any religion they want, I said, essentially, that it backs up my thoughts.

As far as your examples of far left btw, the only group worthy of demonization there, IMO, would be The New Black Panther Party and the only label that really fits them is, Racist Morons. (not to be confused with the disassembled Black Panthers)
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